Why was there not more immigration from Ireland 1800-1845?

Keplar240B

hi

Why was there not more immigration to the new world from Ireland 1800-1845?
Clearly seriously pressure on the land with plots been divided again and again.

Jim2007

Who would have been able to pay for their passage???

pinkypinky

Where does your graph come from?

pedroeibar1

Keplar240B wrote: »

hi

Why was there not more immigration to the new world from Ireland 1800-1845?
Clearly seriously pressure on the land with plots been divided again and again.

There was a steady and large flow to America as a result of its open door policy. That started in the early 1700's, although large numbers of Irish were sent to America as indentured servants after the Cromwellian wars. Later, many families left Ireland in the 1700 – 1840 period. Look at the waves of Scots Irish who went there from Ulster. In round figures America had a white population of about 3 million in 1800. About 500,000 are estimated to have been Irish born or children of Irish parents.

That graph you show above is a bit suspect as the population figures do not look correct.
It is generally agreed that the population fall in Ireland as a result of the Black Death was 45-50% on average (highest in cities and near coastal areas). That is not reflected in the graph.

I also suggest that the population figure for the Cromwellian era is also shown at too high a level. Petty estimated “…….about 504,000 of the Irish perished and were wasted by the sword, plague, famine, hardships and banishments.” This loss amounted to almost 40% of the total population of about 1.25 million (the graph suggests a population of more than 2 million).

BalcombeSt4

So if the population of Ireland was around 9 million in 1800 & was around 3 million in 1900 that means roughly 6 million people were victims of the famine?

Franz Von Peppercorn

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

So if the population of Ireland was around 9 million in 1800 & was around 3 million in 1900 that means roughly 6 million people were victims of the famine?

No. Famine, immigration and lower birth rates.

pinkypinky

Well, according to the official census figures for 1841, the (32 county) population was 6,528,799.

See list here.

Population declines every census until 1951 then stays quite static until 1979 when it rises steadily on each one.

I'd still like to know where that graph comes from because it really doesn't match the CSO figures.

spurious

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

So if the population of Ireland was around 9 million in 1800 & was around 3 million in 1900 that means roughly 6 million people were victims of the famine?

A great many died of typhus, dysentery and cholera, during the Famine times.

BalcombeSt4

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106033974#post106033974

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Franz Von Peppercorn

Yeah but immigration & diseases would have been a consequence of the Famine?

pedroeibar1

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106033974#post106033974

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Franz Von Peppercorn

Yeah but immigration & diseases would have been a consequence of the Famine?

Which famine?
#4 - look at the figures.

@Pinky - I suspect the graph is taken from some partisan American site - the figures as all agree are simply wrong.

riffmongous

This seems to be the original source of the graph, from a reverse image search

http://www.grantonline.com/grant-family-genealogy/Records/population/population-ireland.htm

pinkypinky

The website it comes from also spells Kilkenny wrong and refers to "southern Ireland".

Victor

pinkypinky wrote: »

Well, according to the official census figures for 1841, the (32 county) population was 6,528,799.

Those are '26 county' numbers.

pinkypinky

You're right: the main CSO website doesn't make that clear though. It took a lot of digging on their site to find the total country population for 1841. It was 8.1m then. But my original point still stands, the OP's graph is wrong.