Bought a resprayed car

nd272

Hi all,

Bought a car late last year and have just found out that the car had a full respray done at some stage in its life.

Original colour was red but was changed to black at some stage, bought from a dealer (non-simi) rang shannon and they told me the colour had been officially changed with form RF111.

I done a motorcheck report before purchasing and nothing flagged.

Do I have any recourse?

Atlantic Dawn

I'd say unless there was crash damage as the reason then it's just a cosmetic change so dealer doesn't have to declare it.

Motorcheck should really have this as part of their reports as it would be nice to know the change took place.

nd272

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I'd say unless there was crash damage as the reason then it's just a cosmetic change so dealer doesn't have to declare it.

Motorcheck should really have this as part of their reports as it would be nice to know the change took place.

Thanks for coming back to me, just seems odd it would have been fully resprayed given the cost of same, might be worth getting a full engineers report

wexie

nd272 wrote: »

Do I have any recourse?

For what? You bought a black car, you got a black car?
Unless there's some dodgy reason for it having been sprayed, which there may not be, there is nothing to want recourse for or am I missing something?

greasepalm

remember the model t ford only came in black when sold,does the new colour be listed as available back then so customer wanted a change?

nd272

wexie wrote: »

For what? You bought a black car, you got a black car?
Unless there's some dodgy reason for it having been sprayed, which there may not be, there is nothing to want recourse for or am I missing something?

The rear door is slightly off and that raised concerns with me that it may have been, motorcheck records indicate no reported write off status. I absolutely agree but I guess the door has led me to querying whether it was crashed at some stage.

A Law

I'd definitely be contacting motorcheck for a refund on the car check.

colm_mcm

Must’ve been a savage paint job if you didn’t spot red anywhere. Does the chassis number on the car match the one on the cert?

nd272

colm_mcm wrote: »

Must’ve been a savage pint job if you didn’t spot red anywhere. Does the chassis number on the car match the one on the cert?

It’s a decent job alri, but I can see under the rear window but of red, under carpets inside etc. in fairness I bought it quickly like I did look around it etc and ran a motorcheck etc. it only became apparent when I rang vw the other day and they said it was originally tornado red

wexie

nd272 wrote: »

The rear door is slightly off and that raised concerns with me that it may have been, motorcheck records indicate no reported write off status. I absolutely agree but I guess the door has led me to querying whether it was crashed at some stage.

Ah, so you want recourse not for the paint job but for suspected accident damage.

That makes more sense.

What happens if it was just poorly repaired accident damage? Caveat emptor?

Is it only write offs that get recorded?

nd272

nd272 wrote: »

It’s a decent job alri, but I can see under the rear window but of red, under carpets inside etc. in fairness I bought it quickly like I did look around it etc and ran a motorcheck etc. it only became apparent when I rang vw the other day and they said it was originally tornado red

To answer your question yes all matches up, chassis number engine number etc, also the chassis number in front window matches. Shannon told me the change of colour has been officially recorded changed from red to black

EPAndlee

Could be accident damage but if it was a quick fix then surely it would have been cheaper to respray it red again. Maybe the red faded badly so instead of going down that road again with red fading they went for black instead

colm_mcm

When you say non SIMI dealer, do you know of this dealer has a premises?

nd272

wexie wrote: »

Ah, so you want recourse not for the paint job but for suspected accident damage.

That makes more sense.

What happens if it was just poorly repaired accident damage? Caveat emptor?

Is it only write offs that get recorded?

Caveat emptor definitely applies when buying privately it actually says that on the consumer protection website.

Category a and b write offs have to be recorded as far as I know, there are also c and d category but they used to not have to to declare that years ago but I believe that law recently changed, but I doubt that would apply to cases in the past, don’t get me wrong the car is in the button, nice healthy engine etc. however there must be a reason that work on that level was done.

When looking at ownership history on motorcheck it was transferred to a company for a number of months (possibly a crash repair firm) and then after that it went to a dealer and was re-sold to a consumer

Isambard

it does seem odd but I doubt you have any recourse. It could be the famous fading red, is it particularly old? The usual thing would be to buff it rather than respray though.

nd272

EPAndlee wrote: »

Could be accident damage but if it was a quick fix then surely it would have been cheaper to respray it red again. Maybe the red faded badly so instead of going down that road again with red fading they went for black instead

Absolutely could have been the case, I would never buy a red car for them at very reason

mickdw

What kind of car. Very odd.
Has the entire engine bay been done, boot under carpet, under cill trims etc.
The cost just means it would never make sense. In effect someone doing that would be spending money to devalue the car.

nd272

colm_mcm wrote: »

When you say non SIMI dealer, do you know of this dealer has a premises?

Yes the dealer has a registered business name and premises gave me a receipt as well it’s a registered company

wexie

mickdw wrote: »

What kind of car. Very odd.
Has the entire engine bay been done, boot under carpet, under cill trims etc.
The cost just means it would never make sense. In effect someone doing that would be spending money to devalue the car.

May just have been someone's baby and they never planned to sell it?

nd272

Isambard wrote: »

it does seem odd but I doubt you have any recourse. It could be the famous fading red, is it particularly old? The usual thing would be to buff it rather than respray though.

Hi there it’s 2008 it’s a gti golf

nd272

mickdw wrote: »

What kind of car. Very odd.
Has the entire engine bay been done, boot under carpet, under cill trims etc.
The cost just means it would never make sense. In effect someone doing that would be spending money to devalue the car.

Engine bay done, under the boot done, the only part where you can see the full original colour is under the carpets where the seats are if you pull it back

dbrunson

nd272 wrote: »

Hi there it’s 2008 it’s a gti golf

Just curious, is the engine bay sprayed aswell?

nd272

dbrunson wrote: »

Just curious, is the engine bay sprayed aswell?

Yep but you can see some red coming thru not very noticeable unless you have a close look

EPAndlee

Maybe they just wanted a black GTI so they resprayed it

wexie

nd272 wrote: »

Engine bay done, under the boot done, the only part where you can see the full original colour is under the carpets where the seats are if you pull it back

I dunno man, but if you ask me that sounds more like someone spending a lot of money to make the car the way they want it rather than anything else.

Can't have been a cheap job to get it done like that, and get it done well.

And, to be honest, a Golf GTI is the kinda car someone may just have cared enough about to do it, if you'd said Passat TDI I'd have been a lot more suspicious

nd272

wexie wrote: »

I dunno man, but if you ask me that sounds more like someone spending a lot of money to make the car the way they want it rather than anything else.

Can't have been a cheap job to get it done like that, and get it done well.

And, to be honest, a Golf GTI is the kinda car someone may just have cared enough about to do it, if you'd said Passat TDI I'd have been a lot more suspicious

Very true and would have cost a few quid , suspicion raised as it was registered to a company for a few months but that could be for numerous reasons.

Might just get a automotive enginneer just to see , only had a fresh nct put on it when I bought it, Nct isn’t worth much of you ask me but if there was anything that looked dodge I’m sure it would have flagged?

wexie

nd272 wrote: »

Nct isn’t worth much of you ask me but if there was anything that looked dodge I’m sure it would have flagged?

I'm not sure I would want to have to rely on that to be honest. Dodge in the way of safety, probably, anything else....I wouldn't be too sure.

If you do get an engineer then I hope it just turns out you ended up with someones baby and it turns out to be a right gem rather than something iffy you're gonna want to get rid of (and may not be able to in good conscience )

nd272

wexie wrote: »

I'm not sure I would want to have to rely on that to be honest. Dodge in the way of safety, probably, anything else....I wouldn't be too sure.

If you do get an engineer then I hope it just turns out you ended up with someones baby and it turns out to be a right gem rather than something iffy you're gonna want to get rid of (and may not be able to in good conscience )

Absolutely, I wouldn’t take the Nct as gospel to any extent, engine is on the button etc, I guess when something gets into your mind you start to question things.

Absolutely if I knew there was something iffy I wouldn’t do that to another person it’s just wrong, I’d be getting legal advice if anything but we will have to wait and see

NickNickleby

Golf GTI

First thoughts, boy racer. Second thought , boy racer in the trade. If so, paint job was probably not as expensive and perhaps he fancied black to be different. If you look at it in that light, would you not think "wow , he really loved that car!" which suggests you got a good specimen.

In the absence of anything suggesting a calamity, go with my thoughts, for peace of mind.

nd272

NickNickleby wrote: »

Golf GTI

First thoughts, boy racer. Second thought , boy racer in the trade. If so, paint job was probably not as expensive and perhaps he fancied black to be different. If you look at it in that light, would you not think "wow , he really loved that car!" which suggests you got a good specimen.

In the absence of anything suggesting a calamity, go with my thoughts, for peace of mind.

Thanks for the input, alloys have also been sprayed an off black colour. It does look well I have to say but I suppose me as an ordinary punter gets a bit uneasy when you find things that don’t add up

NickNickleby

aha, even did the alloys! Really starting to sound like an enthusiast. Sounds just like a job done by Ed China on Wheeler Dealers a couple of years ago!

Glass half full !! I'm sure it'll turn out ok.

Good luck

nd272

NickNickleby wrote: »

aha, even did the alloys! Really starting to sound like an enthusiast. Sounds just like a job done by Ed China on Wheeler Dealers a couple of years ago!

Glass half full !! I'm sure it'll turn out ok.

Good luck

Ye maybe so, they are a bit scuffed but that could be from other owners since maybe.

As you say could be a glass half full kind of thing

dense

wexie wrote: »

For what? You bought a black car, you got a black car?
Unless there's some dodgy reason for it having been sprayed, which there may not be, there is nothing to want recourse for or am I missing something?

Same as what I thought. Liked the car, bought the car.

But, still, it is a bit odd.

Whatever about a color on color respray, to go to the trouble of going from red to black and doing the underside of the bonnet, engine bay, boot, doors etc too is quite unusual.

I've never heard of it.

nd272

dense wrote: »

Same as what I thought. Liked the car, bought the car.

But, still, it is a bit odd.

Whatever about a color on color respray, to go to the trouble of going from red to black and doing the underside of the bonnet, engine bay, boot, doors etc too is quite unusual.

I've never heard of it.

Very unusual indeed, as one previous poster said could have been someone with trade connections, as it would not be feasible to do that, unless it got a fair slap and was given to a company to repair and sell on, its a huge amount of work and costly as well

lassykk

Just for a different viewpoint... I bought a 407 coupe 6 years ago in mint condition with the sole intention of respraying the car from dark green to aegean blue.

There was no accident damage to cover just wanted it in a specific colour and knew I'd be keeping it a long time.

There are people out there who care that much about the colour of their car!

I do find it a bit odd though the op situation as surely a gti came in black and the person who painted it could have just bought black instead of red. The 407 coupe never came in blue so slightly less crazy on my part. Slightly!

Dia1988

Could it have been a drug dealers car at one stage and got known Driving his red Golf Gti so changed the colour instead of changing cars to confuse Gardai or any reports.

Dia1988

Dia1988 wrote: »

Could it have been a drug dealers car at one stage and got known Driving his red Golf Gti so changed the colour instead of changing cars to confuse Gardai or any reports.

I'd say your onto something

blackbox

Dia1988 wrote: »

Could it have been a drug dealers car at one stage and got known Driving his red Golf Gti so changed the colour instead of changing cars to confuse Gardai or any reports.

BrownFinger wrote: »

I'd say your onto something

The Gardai might have a somewhat tarnished image at the moment but even they would be able to read the registration number rather than simply identify a car by its colour!

jimmycrackcorm

nd272 wrote:

Bought a car late last year and have just found out that the car had a full respray done at some stage in its life.

I don't get the suspicion when the colour was completely changed. I had a full respray done on my car because it was keyed all the way round.

nd272

Dia1988 wrote: »

Could it have been a drug dealers car at one stage and got known Driving his red Golf Gti so changed the colour instead of changing cars to confuse Gardai or any reports.

Could have been anything is possible, but a full respray to the extent as this would take a considerable amount of time and your reg would still be the same anyways, your point is a fair one tho, you never know

Dia1988

blackbox wrote: »

The Gardai might have a somewhat tarnished image at the moment but even they would be able to read the registration number rather than simply identify a car by its colour!

Perhaps he Gti drug dealer got involved in illicit activities or was chased by Gardai in his red Gti , got away , resprayed car professionally with one of his motor trade mates, turned it black and back dated the change of colour form.

Then when reports came in or if the red Golf was seen on cctv the drug dealer could say someone must have cloned his number plates as his car is black and was black before a certain date according to the change of ownership form.

Mind you, if mightn’t be a drug dealer maybe a murderer!!

nd272

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I don't get the suspicion when the colour was completely changed. I had a full respray done on my car because it was keyed all the way round.

Fair point indeed, I had it in getting work done on it this morning, mechanic also does paint and body work and he said it was a really professional job.

Sorry to hear about your car, why people key cars I will never know, some people are really low lifes

wexie

Dia1988 wrote: »

Perhaps he Gti drug dealer got involved in illicit activities or was chased by Gardai in his red Gti , got away , resprayed car professionally with one of his motor trade mates, turned it black and back dated the change of colour form.

Best way to get rid of all outstanding warrants and get the cops off your back....

Get a quick respray

Del2005

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

I don't get the suspicion when the colour was completely changed. I had a full respray done on my car because it was keyed all the way round.

I was thinking similar. Car was keyed or something poured onto the roof requiring all panels to be resprayed.. Since the car would need to be prepped the colour change wouldn't require much extra work.

K.Flyer

It maybe just a case of the original red bleeching out badly, or serious paint damage, someone bought it cheap because of it and spent the difference respraying it to a more stable and maybe more desirable colour.
If there is nothing else particularly wrong with the car then continue to use it.
As for a rear panel being slightly out, I know someone who bought a brand new 152 mondeo est. and the rear door was not perfectly lined up.
He got a small shunt in the rear and it came back from repairs straighter than when it was new.

nd272

K.Flyer wrote: »

It maybe just a case of the original red bleeching out badly, or serious paint damage, someone bought it cheap because of it and spent the difference respraying it to a more stable and maybe more desirable colour.
If there is nothing else particularly wrong with the car then continue to use it.
As for a rear panel being slightly out, I know someone who bought a brand new 152 mondeo est. and the rear door was not perfectly lined up.
He got a small shunt in the rear and it came back from repairs straighter than when it was new.

Thanks for the input much appreciated 👠I went to my mechanic yesterday and he adjusted door it’s back 100% now 😀 he said as the panels were off they may have not lined up correctly after being re fitted, the service book appears to be missing which is a royal pain in the ass, ( I did ask about this when buying) all other cars I would have owned have full service history from main dealers, it got a huge amount of work around 1.5 years ago in vw swords, full service new pcv valve front and rear pads wishbone bushes brake fluid change etc. totaled about 1400 quid, I have the receipts there.

I know that I can get a replacement book and have them stamp it but do you know if theres any way of finding out if any other vw dealer done work on it?

coolbeans

wexie wrote: »

Best way to get rid of all outstanding warrants and get the cops off your back....

Get a quick respray

For sure. Works in GTA anyway.