Isn't it Ioniq, don't you think? Some advice please

kop-end

Hi all,

Looking for some advice here. I currently drive a company car, i pay the full 30% BIK as i am office based so I fork out about €250 per month, I do get access to a fuel card and toll pass so not bad and never worry about tax, insurance, break-downs, etc...

I am definitely in the core group that can benefit from the recent BIK on EV's announced in the budget, low mileage etc, no need for huge range, etc..

My problem is that I am due to change to a new vehicle in July 2018, this vehicle has to be brand new. I would be straight into an Ioniq EV but by resdin here that could be an issue getting my hands on a new one in July. The budget range would be no more than the Ioniq EV

I need somehting of a decent size as it will be the only family car and I have wife and 2 kids. All advice extremely appreciated.

Thanks all,

Shefwedfan

kop-end wrote: »

Hi all,

Looking for some advice here. I currently drive a company car, i pay the full 30% BIK as i am office based so I fork out about €250 per month, I do get access to a fuel card and toll pass so not bad and never worry about tax, insurance, break-downs, etc...

I am definitely in the core group that can benefit from the recent BIK on EV's announced in the budget, low mileage etc, no need for huge range, etc..

My problem is that I am due to change to a new vehicle in July 2018, this vehicle has to be brand new. I would be straight into an Ioniq EV but by resdin here that could be an issue getting my hands on a new one in July. The budget range would be no more than the Ioniq EV

I need somehting of a decent size as it will be the only family car and I have wife and 2 kids. All advice extremely appreciated.

Thanks all,

Not sure what the issue is? are you concerned about supply?

If so contact Lease company now and ask them to order in car. I know my Lease company can do that if you are about to run out of Lease, just to make sure you are tied back into contract

Apart from that your option if Leaf 2.0....Renault Zoe....VW eGolf(huge supply issues) etc etc

kop-end

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Not sure what the issue is? are you concerned about supply?

If so contact Lease company now and ask them to order in car. I know my Lease company can do that if you are about to run out of Lease, just to make sure you are tied back into contract

Apart from that your option if Leaf 2.0....Renault Zoe....VW eGolf(huge supply issues) etc etc

Thanks Shefwedfan,

Apologies for not being clear. The big issue is supply and advice on alternative. I have called our lease company ( a Hyundai dealer) who think there will be zero chance of an Ioniq by July.

The Golf is out of my price range (€36+), Zoe would be too small as the family car, 2 kids, weekends away, etc..

All roads seem to led to Leaf at this stage but I thougt I would throw it our to you guys on here and get some educated advice

Thanks

Shefwedfan

kop-end wrote: »

Thanks Shefwedfan,

Apologies for not being clear. The big issue is supply and advice on alternative. I have called our lease company ( a Hyundai dealer) who think there will be zero chance of an Ioniq by July.

The Golf is out of my price range (€36+), Zoe would be too small as the family car, 2 kids, weekends away, etc..

All roads seem to led to Leaf at this stage but I thougt I would throw it our to you guys on here and get some educated advice

Thanks

Very limited range at the moment is issue
eGolf as mentioned but supply is as bad as Ioniq
Ioniq which has supply issues
Leaf 2.0 probably option you will need to use
Zoe maybe bring for a spin, I havent really checked the size of it but probably smaller than Leaf
Tesla - above budget I would guess if eGolf is
BMW i3, price could be issue

I dont see anything else released before July

What option has your lease company given you?

I am currently in a battle with my company and lease car provided about providing electric cars to staff....

KCross

If you want the new Leaf for July you'd want to be ordering relatively soon. If you order now you would be looking at May/Jun by all accounts, so if you need to hit July for delivery you need to start talking to some dealers now.

kop-end

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Very limited range at the moment is issue
eGolf as mentioned but supply is as bad as Ioniq
Ioniq which has supply issues
Leaf 2.0 probably option you will need to use
Zoe maybe bring for a spin, I havent really checked the size of it but probably smaller than Leaf
Tesla - above budget I would guess if eGolf is
BMW i3, price could be issue

I dont see anything else released before July

What option has your lease company given you?

I am currently in a battle with my company and lease car provided about providing electric cars to staff....

Thanks for the above. The lease company have told me to basically take a Tucson They don't really care whether I go EV or not as they know they will be getting a €30k lease either way.

Casati

KCross wrote: »

If you want the new Leaf for July you'd want to be ordering relatively soon. If you order now you would be looking at May/Jun by all accounts, so if you need to hit July for delivery you need to start talking to some dealers now.

Would leasing companies not be ordering both Ioniq’s and Leaf’s now based on the likelihood of customers wanting one in coming months? I know that lease companies often source cars that private punters can’t get too.

OP I’m surprised that your dealer is your lease company, I would have thought most company cars were leased via the bigger leasing companies who can provide a range of cars etc?

Shefwedfan

kop-end wrote: »

Thanks for the above. The lease company have told me to basically take a Tucson They don't really care whether I go EV or not as they know they will be getting a €30k lease either way.

I would tell them to f**k off. Can they only supply Hyundai? or what manufacturers are they open to?

Shefwedfan

Casati wrote: »

Would leasing companies not be ordering both Ioniq’s and Leaf’s now based on the likelihood of customers wanting one in coming months? I know that lease companies often source cars that private punters can’t get too.

OP I’m surprised that your dealer is your lease company, I would have thought most company cars were leased via the bigger leasing companies who can provide a range of cars etc?

I have to use one of the biggest. More or less I used to be able ot pick any car(make/model). I talked to one of the guys and he said all they do is go to a select few garages and request delivery times. I found out the names of the garages and went myself to see what they had in stock and I could take straight away.

If they can't get you the car and you have waiting period they just set you up in a run around till car comes in(something that has come back in and would be similar to request).

They have no more power/control over delivery than the standard punter. They do offer 12 month before end of lease to get your order in so when it comes around it is in stock and ready to go.

AMKC

What about a Kia Niro? It is a hybrid but might be suit your needs. There is an EV version due sometime but be next year I would say before that is out.

cros13

AMKC wrote: »

What about a Kia Niro? It is a hybrid but might be suit your needs. There is an EV version due sometime but be next year I would say before that is out.

The hybrids don't qualify for 0% BIK. And of course a battery EV has much better performance and lower running costs.

AMKC

cros13 wrote: »

The hybrids don't qualify for 0% BIK. And of course a battery EV has much better performance and lower running costs.

Good point. Surely if someone ordered on Ioniq or any car then bar maybe something like a Ferrari or a Lamborghini they would have in 6 months time. Most cars only take 3 months from factory to delivery do they not? I think the OP should go order there Ioniq now then that or a new Nissan Leaf seem the best to cars.

Shefwedfan

AMKC wrote: »

Good point. Surely if someone ordered on Ioniq or any car then bar maybe something like a Ferrari or a Lamborghini they would have in 6 months time. Most cars only take 3 months from factory to delivery do they not? I think the OP should go order there Ioniq now then that or a new Nissan Leaf seem the best to cars.

Most cars......it doesn't seem that way with electric cars.....

cros13

AMKC wrote: »

Good point. Surely if someone ordered on Ioniq or any car then bar maybe something like a Ferrari or a Lamborghini they would have in 6 months time. Most cars only take 3 months from factory to delivery do they not? I think the OP should go order there Ioniq now then that or a new Nissan Leaf seem the best to cars.

When Hyundai launched the Ioniq in its first few markets, orders exceeded Hyundai's expected production four fold. LG Chem supply the battery for the Ioniq and were/are unable to accomodate much increase in production for Hyundai. With the few batteries they've been able to get, Hyundai has prioritised domestic sales in Korea over export. The Ioniq waiting list in the UK is over 12 months long.

In 2017, Hyundai had 200 Ioniq EVs ordered for Ireland... and frankly if they could have all been delivered in January they would have sold out in the first 3/4 months.
Hyundai expected the demand to be for the hybrids... but the BEV has outsold the hybrid 4:1.

unkel

It's the first budget EV that has a real life range of 200+km which is acceptable / suitable to a lot of people. And it is high spec. And quite nippy. I find it hard to understand why Hyundai didn't know they were onto a winner here.

Shefwedfan

unkel wrote: »

It's the first budget EV that has a real life range of 200+km which is acceptable / suitable to a lot of people. And it is high spec. And quite nippy. I find it hard to understand why Hyundai didn't know they were onto a winner here.

I think Hyundai might have known it was a winner....

The local plonker selling a diesel i40 didn't. I would guess part of the decision making is to contact all the Hyundai dealers in Ireland for feedback to hyundai Ireland on what to order in.

If you walked into any Hyundai dealer last year before launch they would have said it was a flash in the pan. When I contacted them about test driving the all electric they only wanted to show me the Hybrid. I went to 3 garages to price check and everyone of them went on about the hybrid. They had seen toyota selling hybrid by bucket load and thought that would be the winner. They where wrong. I can't see them making the same mistake again.....

It is another example of the local Irish car salesman having no idea what or how to sell anything else but a big dirty diesel

unkel

It was actually at Hyundai HQ in SK that they made the mistake see cros13 post up there^^^

They are upping the production this year, but the numbers are far lower than the new Leaf production, so Hyundai is going to further lose out. And it doesn't help global demand that they keep half the produced Ioniq EVs in SK

bk

Hyundai Corporate management clearly made the same mistake that the local Irish dealers did! That is why they designed it as a platform that could take either hybrid, PHEV or EV.

They thought it would mostly sell as hybrid, competing with Toyota. It has completely failed to do so.

Ironically it turned out to be a really good EV, despite not having a particularly good design to be an EV. Had they designed it as a pure EV it would likely have been ever better!

kop-end

++++ UPDATE +++
Just had a quick spin in the Ioniq EV, what is going on with the cloth seats, they are disgusting, back to the 80's !!! Great car overall though, think it could definitley suit my needs, I think I can manage with rear headroom for a teenager.

Anybody here regularly have 6ft adults in the back? No issues?

Anyhow, dealer mentioned that all the new Ioniq stock arriving/arrived in Ireland at the moment is already for customers who ordered 4+ months ago.
All new orders for 2018 are looking at an 8+ months wait (although I think he was making these dates up as he went along...)

goz83

kop-end wrote: »

++++ UPDATE +++
Just had a quick spin in the Ioniq EV, what is going on with the cloth seats, they are disgusting, back to the 80's !!! Great car overall though, think it could definitley suit my needs, I think I can manage with rear headroom for a teenager.

Anybody here regularly have 6ft adults in the back? No issues?

Anyhow, dealer mentioned that all the new Ioniq stock arriving/arrived in Ireland at the moment is already for customers who ordered 4+ months ago.
All new orders for 2018 are looking at an 8+ months wait (although I think he was making these dates up as he went along...)

He's probably about right on the dates. And yes, the seats are horrible. It was one of my biggest gripes when I was considering the Ioniq. The UK could choose leather. We have get aftermarket leather done, or import a UK model.

unkel

kop-end wrote: »

Anybody here regularly have 6ft adults in the back? No issues?)

I'm just under 6'2 and I can sit behind myself, which is quite surprising as I haven't been able to do that in much bigger cars (BMW 5-series, Jaguar S-type). Legroom is very good, headroom just about fits, but I'd probably hit my head against the roof if the driver went over a speed bump

You can have the leather replaced by the dealer but I wouldn't know how good a job that would be and it ain't cheap. And yeah the seats are very basic, but so is the rest of the interior. And it ain't no drivers car. It's a FWD econobox from Korea, what do you expect?

Leaf was quiet roomy, my Partners Dad is about 6'5 and had no problems sitting in the Rear of the Leaf and at least in the passenger seat of the i3.

Dont be at yourself

Had the leather fitted in mine by the dealer and it's grand. Personal preference but I couldn't have a car with cloth seats.

Shefwedfan

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

Had the leather fitted in mine by the dealer and it's grand. Personal preference but I couldn't have a car with cloth seats.

How much if you dont mind me asking?

Dont be at yourself

Shefwedfan wrote: »

How much if you dont mind me asking?

€1.5K

Shefwedfan

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

€1.5K

Sorry last question, did you have heated seats?

Dont be at yourself

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Sorry last question, did you have heated seats?

Yep. They come standard on the Irish model. Great in this weather.

UK spec with leather also has power-adjusted drivers seat, but you don't get this if you decide to get the leather upgrade fitted.

unkel

UK spec with the leather also has heated seats in the back. Not many cars in this price class have that. Do any?

Casati

unkel wrote: »

UK spec with the leather also has heated seats in the back. Not many cars in this price class have that. Do any?

It seems that electric seats are especially common on ev’s in general, I wonder are the heaters not as effective?

Water John

They use less power than space heating and many drivers, OH incl, are as happy just with the heated seat and steering.

KCross

unkel wrote: »

UK spec with the leather also has heated seats in the back. Not many cars in this price class have that. Do any?

The Leaf does.
Just on the two outside seats though, not the centre for some reason.

unkel

SVE only, I presume?

I don't care much for the heated seats myself and herself hates it. But the kids love it, more as a gimmick than anything else I guess. Now if I lived in Canada or Finland...

Casati

Water John wrote: »

They use less power than space heating and many drivers, OH incl, are as happy just with the heated seat and steering.

Do you mean you are happy with just heated seats and wheel and no air heating at all? That’s like having only an electric blanket and no central heating, seems a bit primative? I haven’t heard of that as an ev trade off before

Water John

They are both there but OH only uses space heating when its quite cold.

peposhi

kop-end wrote: »

++++ UPDATE +++
Just had a quick spin in the Ioniq EV, what is going on with the cloth seats, they are disgusting, back to the 80's !!! Great car overall though, think it could definitley suit my needs, I think I can manage with rear headroom for a teenager.

Anybody here regularly have 6ft adults in the back? No issues?

Anyhow, dealer mentioned that all the new Ioniq stock arriving/arrived in Ireland at the moment is already for customers who ordered 4+ months ago.
All new orders for 2018 are looking at an 8+ months wait (although I think he was making these dates up as he went along...)

Get Phil Fitz to sorce one for you with leather saloon and at a good price. He’s bringing and orange ( ) one next week . Not sure if it’s with leather though...

Is it not a bit of a tough call now between the 40 Kwh Leaf and Ioniq ? I would have said that the Ioniq was a no brainer at the price but Leaf II is so close........

Shefwedfan

peposhi wrote: »

Get Phil Fitz to sorce one for you with leather saloon and at a good price. He’s bringing and orange ( ) one next week . Not sure if it’s with leather though...

Not leather

KCross

unkel wrote: »

SVE only, I presume?

I don't care much for the heated seats myself and herself hates it. But the kids love it, more as a gimmick than anything else I guess. Now if I lived in Canada or Finland...

Yes, all SVE's have it.

However, if you add the "cold pack" to the SV I think you also get it (at least in the front, so I presume its in the back as well). A lot of SV's are bought with the cold pack added.

I love the heated seats and steering wheel and I'm reminded of it everytime I have to hop into the cold diesel!

unkel

Deleted User wrote: »

Is it not a bit of a tough call now between the 40 Kwh Leaf and Ioniq ?

Indeed it is. If you don't do a lot of long distance motorway cruising at the speed limit, then Leaf will have a considerably better range. And it has a far bigger boot. Early days yet, but the Pro Pilot could well be a better system than Ioniq's autonomous driving. If you have no preference for the look of either car, then Leaf is probably the better choice (shorter warranty might people off though, particularly people who haven't owned EV before. 3 years overall and 5 years on the battery vs 5 years overall and 8 years on the battery)

If you do a lot of driving long distances at speed, then not so much. Range would be similar (or less in the Leaf if you like making progress ) and charging would take a lot longer - about 3 times as long per driven km once the faster chargers come in later this year (charging is twice as slow and Leaf at 120km/h is far less efficient, so uses more kWh)

But it's all theory though as Ioniq availability is very limited...

goz83

KCross wrote: »

The Leaf does.
Just on the two outside seats though, not the centre for some reason.

Someone sitting in the centre presumes that both sides of the rear seats will be occupied, so it would be warm enough with the heat of the others.

However, its probably more to do with the shape of the heat pads, which wouldn't fit in the centre section. Would cost more to add and would be a waste imo.

KCross

unkel wrote: »

If you have no preference for the look of either car, then Leaf is probably the better choice (shorter warranty might people off though, particularly people who haven't owned EV before. 3 years overall and 5 years on the battery vs 5 years overall and 8 years on the battery)

Which is which there? The Leaf is 8yr battery warranty I believe? Is the Ioniq only 3 and 5?

unkel wrote: »

... charging would take a lot longer - about 3 times as long per driven km once the faster chargers come in later this year (charging is twice as slow and Leaf at 120km/h is far less efficient, so uses more kWh)

3 times as long? How did you calculate that?

On a 70kW charger the Ioniq averages 63kW's (IIRC) and the Leaf will average 50kW.

unkel

unkel wrote: »

charging is twice as slow

How do you figure the Leaf charges twice as slow ? a charger will show 68 Kw with an Ioniq charging and probably 58-60 Kw for the Leaf II.

Nissan quote 40 mins to 80% which isn't bad considering it's a 40 kwh battery.

So if you're just saying it will take a longer time to charge based on the fact that the battery is on average 12 Kwh larger than the Ioniqs the yes , naturally it will take longer to charge.

However, the Leaf 40 Kwh has potentia to travel a lot further depending on the driving / route someone drives.

+ you got a lot more Kwh in the tank starting from home in the first place.

I'll be interested to get peoples reviews in the coming months.

As for Pro pilot ? I'm not interested in any so called automation that requires any hands on the wheel, that defeats the purpose, I can see it appealing to those who like to text and browse the web when driving......other than that it's not so useful.