Carpe Diem?-No the taxpayer will fix it.

Fann Linn

Just heard it now on the radio. A new initiative which if instigated will see the taxpayer giving redress to house buyers who have problems with their build.

Now I can see the necessity with the Pyrite fiasco and the fire proofing in apartment blocks, but for crying out loud where does it stop?

Surely there is an onus on both buyers and banks which supplied mortgages to ensure the build was up to spec.
If someone bought a pig in a poke why should the taxpayer take the hit?

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Charles Babbage

Perhaps the cost could be deducted from the pensions of those ministers, city managers etc responsible for proper regulation of the the sector.

byronbay2

Your Latin has gotten a bit rusty since you left private school. Carpe Diem means “seize the day”, the Latin phrase you are looking for is Caveat Emptor, “let the buyer beware”.

cruizer101

Think you have your latin phrases mixed up

Carpe diem: seize the day: An exhortation to live for today. From Horace, Odes I, 11.8. Carpere refers to plucking of flowers or fruit. The phrase collige virgo rosas has a similar sense.

Caveat emptor: let the buyer beware: The purchaser is responsible for checking whether the goods suit his need. Phrases modeled on this one replace emptor with lector, subscriptor, venditor, utilitor: "reader", "signer", "seller", "user".

Fann Linn

cruizer101 wrote: »

Think you have your latin phrases mixed up

Carpe diem: seize the day: An exhortation to live for today. From Horace, Odes I, 11.8. Carpere refers to plucking of flowers or fruit. The phrase collige virgo rosas has a similar sense.

Caveat emptor: let the buyer beware: The purchaser is responsible for checking whether the goods suit his need. Phrases modeled on this one replace emptor with lector, subscriptor, venditor, utilitor: "reader", "signer", "seller", "user".

Correct. Thanks.

Hector Bellend

This is Ireland.

WoollyRedHat

So long Bob the Builder.

Mr. Incognito

Everyone has to buy Homebond which is insurance which covers latent building defects

Then they were told by Homebond when latent defects appeared they were not covered.

The solution is pretty simple.

https://www.homebond.ie/

Harry Palmr

Well something needs to be done and as mentioned above most of the cowboys went bust, my own suggestion is that some of the 13 billion from Apple be spent...oh wait.

Fann Linn, if you double click the title on the front page you can edit it to Caveat Emptor

griffin100

Heard this on the radio this morning and then SF's Eoin O'Broin came on to argue in favour of it. Quelle surprise.

Chijj

I love that scene in Dead Poets society when Robin Williams says "Caveat Emptor, buyer beware boys, make your life extra ordinary"

Fanny Wank

More socialism....

smurgen

What's the point of an engineers assessment?is there any professional responsibility in this country?

donegaLroad

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Everyone has to buy Homebond which is insurance which covers latent building defects

Then they were told by Homebond when latent defects appeared they were not covered.

The solution is pretty simple.

https://www.homebond.ie/

If the builder was registered with Homebond, then they are supposed to cover the cost of repair. If the builder wasnr registered, then house insurance might be your only option other than suing the builder, and you have to be within ten years of the building being completed.

Billgirlylegs

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Perhaps the cost could be deducted from the pensions of those ministers, city managers etc responsible for proper regulation of the the sector.

Careful now.
Professionals taking responsibility?

donegaLroad

smurgen wrote: »

What's the point of an engineers assessment?is there any professional responsibility in this country?

There is now, compared to 2000 - 2007. Back then it was the wild west and people were getting away with anything.

cycle4fun

This is a crazy little country in so many years. Cowboy builders should not have got away with dangerous or shoody work. The system they have in the UK where buildings are inspected properly by the government as they are being built works there.

The taxpayer should not be asked to fork out for shoddy work done years ago. Buyer beware. Sue the builders.

Drumpot

I personally think it should be the responsibility of the state to make sure houses are built properly. This includes zoning of land. My house was built in an area that’s prone to flooding and the state bears responsibility for zoning the land against the recommendations of the OPW!

Why should the state fund these initiatives? Because the state benefits directly and indirectly from the cost of building houses and the purchase of houses. Way more then any of these Mickey Mouse schemes would cost.

The taxpayer doesn’t pay for this, the state will still be getting its pound of flesh from the housing sector.

Skylinehead

Romanes eunt domus!

All the builders are 'bankrupt' lol

kneemos

If Sinn Fein were in power the taxpayer would be bled dry.

BattleCorp

Drumpot wrote: »

I personally think it should be the responsibility of the state to make sure houses are built properly. This includes zoning of land. My house was built in an area that’s prone to flooding and the state bears responsibility for zoning the land against the recommendations of the OPW!

Why should the state fund these initiatives? Because the state benefits directly and indirectly from the cost of building houses and the purchase of houses. Way more then any of these Mickey Mouse schemes would cost.

The taxpayer doesn’t pay for this, the state will still be getting its pound of flesh from the housing sector.

You do realise that the State paying for things like this is actually me and you paying for this. We are where the State gets its money.

I don't mind paying for things that I buy/damage etc. but I don't fancy paying for someone else's house to be fixed when I had fcukall to do with it.

Atoms for Peace

Fanny **** wrote: »

More socialism....

Populism more like. It wouldn't be very socialist to subsidise the cost of ownership of private property.

lawred2

Hector Bellend wrote: »

This is Ireland.

Yeah our Latin is pure shoite

Cee-Jay-Cee

I thought Carpe Diem was a white wine.

Potential-Monke

It's a joke if the taxpayer is expected to fund this. You bought a house, you took a risk, it didn't pay off. I don't care why, I don't care how, it's just tough. I had a house. Couldn't afford the maintenance, so I sold it. If they can't afford to fix their houses, sell them. Take the hit, like I did. Granted, different reasons, but that's life. I'm sick of the taxpayer having to fork out for something that really has no right to be funded from same.

Really hope this doesn't pass, or it's just more fuel to the fire of getting the f out of here, off to Canadia with myself when I can me thinks!

Spanish Eyes

Sure it's a great little country altogether isn't it.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Potential-Monke wrote: »

It's a joke if the taxpayer is expected to fund this. You bought a house, you took a risk, it didn't pay off. I don't care why, I don't care how, it's just tough. I had a house. Couldn't afford the maintenance, so I sold it. If they can't afford to fix their houses, sell them. Take the hit, like I did. Granted, different reasons, but that's life. I'm sick of the taxpayer having to fork out for something that really has no right to be funded from same.

Really hope this doesn't pass, or it's just more fuel to the fire of getting the f out of here, off to Canadia with myself when I can me thinks!

People building houses pay tax and rates and service fees and planning fees etc which are government enforced to ensure the house is built within the recognised guidelines.

If you buy a house you pay stamp duty to the Government for that house.

The government benefit at every turn about from people building or buying and so it is only right that when some poor sod gets lumbered with a dodgey build that someone is accountable and it is only right the government are that someone.

I don’t see any problem with it. Farmers get grants and hand outs for absolutely everything to help them out when times are hard so why shouldn’t a House owner.

Thankfully my house has no such issues but I have no problem in people who are less fortunate having somewhere to turn to when the dodgey builder leaves them in the lurch.

Spanish Eyes

Why not have every buyer/builder enter into a bond/insurance thing to protect each other.

Oh I forgot, the insurance industry would not quote.

But there should be something in place that does not involve the squeezed middle again for the failings of others.

Anyway if SF is in favour I am sure I am against! Eoin O'B and his lovely wife MEP will not have to worry I am sure. But they will ensure those who cannot afford to pay their own feckin mortgages/rebuilds/repairs will make others pay for the failings of others.

Socialism for some.

Potential-Monke

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

People building houses pay tax and rates and service fees and planning fees etc which are government enforced to ensure the house is built within the recognised guidelines.

If you buy a house you pay stamp duty to the Government for that house.

The government benefit at every turn about from people building or buying and so it is only right that when some poor sod gets lumbered with a dodgey build that someone is accountable and it is only right the government are that someone.

I don’t see any problem with it. Farmers get grants and hand outs for absolutely everything to help them out when times are hard so why shouldn’t a House owner.

Thankfully my house has no such issues but I have no problem in people who are less fortunate having somewhere to turn to when the dodgey builder leaves them in the lurch.

I don't agree. It's the same with anything, a new house is covered by the builders, and if there's an issue you should claim from them. If they're gone out of business, tough. Same as people who bought brand new Saabs a few years back. If something goes wrong in the first 5 years, tough, the company is gone. Same should apply to houses, as it applies to nearly everything else you buy.

I won't comment on the farmers...

Franz Von Peppercorn

All a buyer can do is call in experts. If that doesn’t work then the experts or the developers or the state (who have signed off on these guys licenses) must be responsible.