Top selling EV/PHEV?!

grogi

No - it ain't Leaf, Bolt nor Tesla...



1. BAIC EC 180 - 72.191
2. Tesla Model S - 55.449
3. Nissan Leaf - 52.778
4. Toyota Prius PHEV - 50.511
5. Zhi Dou D2 EV - 47.493
6. Tesla Model X - 44.655
7. BYD Song PHEV - 30.510
8. Renault Zoe - 28.994
9. BMW i3 - 27.077
10. Chevrolet Bolt - 25.835

Not exactly sales for whole 2017 - prognosis made early December. But it clearly shows that China is become an EV powerhouse

KCross

Who supplies their batteries?

ted1

I wouldn’t say powerhouse, their cars wouldn’t pass must countries safety standards.

Shefwedfan

I wonder what the NCAP rating would be???

grogi

ted1 wrote: »

I wouldn’t say powerhouse, their cars wouldn’t pass must countries safety standards.

At this stage, if they wanted and targeted European/US markets, the cars would. But the domestic demand is enough.

Batteries are done probably by Contemporary Amperex Technology, but I am nowhere in a position to have more than 30% certainty on that

cros13

KCross wrote:

Who supplies their batteries?

BAIC uses CATL. BYD makes their own, and is one of the largest battery manufacturers on the planet, larger than Samsung SDI and LG Chem.

Shefwedfan wrote:

I wonder what the NCAP rating would be???

BYD are pretty good, they've had vehicles passed euro NCAP before with reasonable results. Wouldn't trust the rest of them.

KCross

cros13 wrote: »

BAIC uses CATL. BYD makes their own, and is one of the largest battery manufacturers on the planet, larger than Samsung SDI and LG Chem.

Are the quality of the batteries from CATL and BYD as good as the rest (Manufacturing cost, Density, Reliability, Longevity etc)?

Do CATL or BYD supply batteries to any other car manufacturer, particularly asking about outside China?

ted1

Here’s a bit on BYD.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.fastcompany.com/40506877/by-2018-every-bus-in-this-chinese-megacity-will-be-electric


I was made redundant because of them in 2001!! I was designing battery safety and charging circuits for Motorola in Airside Swords and these guys were able to supply Motorola cheaper than the Motorola factory in Asia where our production was. So they just started buying them in.

cros13

KCross wrote: »

Are the quality of the batteries from CATL and BYD as good as the rest (Manufacturing cost, Density, Reliability, Longevity etc)?

Do CATL or BYD supply batteries to any other car manufacturer, particularly asking about outside China?

CATL supplies Hyundai, BMW, Volkswagen, NEVS (formerly Saab) and I think Volvo.... mainly batteries for PHEVs.

BYD are the world's 2nd largest EV battery producer after Panasonic-Tesla, very well regarded and are vertically integrated, making their own batteries, power electronics, Solar Panels, Grid Storage, Cars, Buses, HGVs etc. etc.
BYD are the closest thing Tesla has to a direct competitor.

Their main battery technology is lithium iron phosphate, which is heavier for a given capacity than the chemistries favored by most western EV manufacturers but cheap and not as reliant on supply constrained materials like cobalt. Also easily recyclable.

You may have seen a few BYD e6 (launched 2010 with a 61kWh pack) on the roads in london (they are available to fleet purchasers in the UK) or the netherlands and London's new electric buses are also made by BYD (they even make a RHD double decker).
The current version of the e6 has an 80kWh pack and costs just under €50k before VRT/grants. Battery warranty is 4000 cycles/ ~1.4 million km. Comes with 22kW onboard charger but no rapid charging.











Yeah.... BYD don't mess around.

KCross

Interesting article on CATL and an interesting graph on the production of the various suppliers including AESC which puts Nissan former production partner in perspective!

https://electrek.co/2018/02/05/catl-china-battery-producer-ipo/