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  • 21-01-2018 12:59pm
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    Ireland trains
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    Irish rail says it is not possible to operate more than 2 DARTs per hour from Greystones to Bray but if you do the maths it is actually possible to operate three trains per hour e.g.
    Bray to Greystones takes nine minutes.
    2 minute turnaround and 9 min back to Bray
    = 20 minutes
    =3 trains per hour
    Is it possible they will ever do this because the DARTs dont need to be in Greystones for 10+ minutes and at rush hour there is still only 2 DARTs per hour where's there coan be up to 5 from Bray in an hour


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    LeinsterDub
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    Ireland trains wrote: »
    Irish rail says it is not possible to operate more than 2 DARTs per hour from Greystones to Bray but if you do the maths it is actually possible to operate three trains per hour e.g.
    Bray to Greystones takes nine minutes.
    2 minute turnaround and 9 min back to Bray
    = 20 minutes
    =3 trains per hour
    Is it possible they will ever do this because the DARTs dont need to be in Greystones for 10+ minutes and at rush hour there is still only 2 DARTs per hour where's there coan be up to 5 from Bray in an hour
    The DART isn't the only service on that line. The other services have to be factored in


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    tabbey
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    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    The DART isn't the only service on that line. The other services have to be factored in

    Absolutely.

    Also the op suggestion of a two minute turnround is inadequate. Combined with late running arrivals in Greystones, the majority of departures would be late, throwing the service into chaos in the central area.


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    Halloween Jack
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    Even at 2 per hour you nearly always have to wait in bray when travelling southbound to greystones, for a northbound dart/train to come through


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    Ireland trains
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    If they sped up the journey by one minute then the turnaround becomes 4 minutes and also there is only 10 intercity services a day and you could still fit them in


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    loyatemu
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    Ireland trains wrote: »
    If they sped up the journey by one minute then the turnaround becomes 4 minutes and also there is only 10 intercity services a day and you could still fit them in

    it's not realistic for Irish Rail - they have a terrible record for punctuality.

    Even if they were better, that turnaround time is too tight - it would take the driver 2 minutes to change ends.

    All that's needed for Greystones is to stable a Dart there overnight - this would allow consecutive Darts to run inbound at the peak time in the morning. 30 minute frequency is fine for the rest of the day.


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    Stephen15
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    Even if they were better, that turnaround time is too tight - it would take the driver 2 minutes to change ends.

    All that's needed for Greystones is to stable a Dart there overnight - this would allow consecutive Darts to run inbound at the peak time in the morning. 30 minute frequency is fine for the rest of the day.

    You could have a second driver board at Bray and go in the other cab until Greystones then instead of one having one have to walk all the way to the front. The second would drive back to Greystones.

    I do agree that 30 mins off peak is an adequate frequency for Greystones but it could be more frequent at peak times.

    A suggestion I would have is a series of peak time Wicklow commuters calling at all CC stations, Blackrock, Dun Laoghaire, Bray, Greystones, Kilcoole and Wicklow. This would increase the free up the Rosslare services from having to stop in Dun Laoghaire or Bray and also provide a more frequent service South of Bray. It could also prove as a case study for potentially extending the DART South of Greystones to Wicklow and could be operated by IEs new bi-modial trains if they are introduced.


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    loyatemu
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    at the moment the only trains that are standing room only when leaving Greystones are the 0750 (which comes from Gorey) and the 0800 Dart (which is apparently the busiest single train on the Irish Rail network), but neither are crammed. However the town is a hive of building activity at the moment so they will have to increase peak services in the medium term.


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    XPS_Zero
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    at the moment the only trains that are standing room only when leaving Greystones are the 0750 (which comes from Gorey) and the 0800 Dart (which is apparently the busiest single train on the Irish Rail network), but neither are crammed. However the town is a hive of building activity at the moment so they will have to increase peak services in the medium term.

    ROFL-COPTER!

    Get outta here with that foresight and long term strategic thinking! It has no place in Irish political leadership! If it's not deliverable before the next election it does not exist, what if instead of spending money on 5ers on welfare rates or minor tax cuts to buy us votes we spend it on things like...infrastructure (LOLZ!)...jesus I mean what if the project gets delivered in the next govt and it's not us in charge? and some blueshirt/solider of destiny/Shinner/(shudder) or Green (double shudder) gets to take credit for it by cutting the ribbon?? That's unthinkable!

    Voters aren't meant to think that way either. Voters/citizens are meant to want (and demand from TDs) their short term tax cuts/welfare rate top ups NOW saying that any big project is a "white elephant" that will "ruin the area" (*cough* port tunnel *cough)...then do a total 180 a few years later when the population increases and GDP spikes and suddenly the stuff you were against is badly needed, then (like the 60% who claimed they voted for JFK after he was shot, when he won with a razor thin majority in 1960) you claim you were for said big project all along, and ring up Liveline complaining that you have a 2 hour commute and "izn't it terrable Joe dey dont plan for deeze things?"
    The only voters/citizens who are allowed be in favor of huge infrastructure projects are the ones from outside Dublin with a ginormous chip on their shoulder about "dem up in Dublin dat get ever-tin" (don't mention the way property tax works...). Then you can be in favor of Luas's for places that have a lower population than west Tallaght, but you know you won't get them it's just a vehicle to vent about said chip on shoulder about Dublin.

    You're supposed to be a good little serf and complain about africans getting aid money and the immigrants "comin in here" while we steal your wallet, not get intelligent notions in your head about actual policy matters - the systems not set up that way! All hell will break loose!


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    Victor
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    Ireland trains wrote: »
    If they sped up the journey by one minute
    Is this practical. What would it involve? How much would it cost?
    Stephen15 wrote: »
    You could have a second driver board at Bray and go in the other cab until Greystones
    A suggestion I would have is a series of peak time Wicklow commuters calling at all CC stations, Blackrock, Dun Laoghaire, Bray, Greystones, Kilcoole and Wicklow. This would increase the free up the Rosslare services from having to stop in Dun Laoghaire or Bray
    What about the people that want to connect between those stations?


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    Stephen15
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    Victor wrote: »
    What about the people that want to connect between those stations?

    Rosslare passengers wishing to go to DL could get off at Bray and connect to a DART. It's a wasteful duplication stopping the service at two DART stations when it's a matter of fact that most passengers who use get off a Rosslare service at DL are would be DART passengers who are using the service as an express service.


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    goingnowhere
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    Dun Laoghaire is the biggest town on the line...


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    GerardKeating
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    tabbey wrote: »
    Absolutely.

    Also the op suggestion of a two minute turnround is inadequate. Combined with late running arrivals in Greystones, the majority of departures would be late, throwing the service into chaos in the central area.

    While obviously doubling the line would not be practical, is there any room on the route for a passing loop?


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    Stephen15
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    GerardKeating wrote: »
    While obviously doubling the line would not be practical, is there any room on the route for a passing loop?

    Not where it's needed on Bray Head there would only be room between Bray Head and Greystones Station which would be impractical as it would be too near Greystones Station. A passing would make sense if it was halfway between Bray and Greystones perhaps but that's where the line is too narrow.


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    loyatemu
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    Stephen15 wrote: »
    Not where it's needed on Bray Head there would only be room between Bray Head and Greystones Station which would be impractical as it would be too near Greystones Station. A passing would make sense if it was halfway between Bray and Greystones perhaps but that's where the line is too narrow.

    you could shorten the turnaround time if the track was doubled between Greystones and Bray Head, as a train could leave Greystones before the next one from Bray arrived. Some local politicians have suggested this, but IMO the benefit would be pretty marginal and it would be expensive (the line is in a cutting north of Greystones station).

    The line is signalled into several segments, so trains can run consecutively in one direction at short intervals - as I suggested earlier this means a better service could be provided just by stabling one or two trains in Greystones (or Wicklow) to supplement the morning peak. This would be a lot cheaper than doubling the track.


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