College game in Dublin this year?

OU812

There should be one, right? It's two years since the last.

helimachoptor

Won't happen this year. would have been announced already if it was

jack presley

I'd imagine teams have their 2018 schedule finalised already.

Guffy

I would imagine IAFA have done a lot to hinder this tbh. Past two events have been a joke on their end. For a body who's remit is to promote the game in the country they've really messed this side of things up.

Can't imagine there being another game here for a while tbh. At least not before certain changes are made at board level anyway.

OU812

Damn it. Was at the last two and they were fantastic. Was a pain there was none last year. Was looking forward to one this year.

davetherave

Guffy wrote: »

I would imagine IAFA have done a lot to hinder this tbh. Past two events have been a joke on their end. For a body who's remit is to promote the game in the country they've really messed this side of things up.

Can't imagine there being another game here for a while tbh. At least not before certain changes are made at board level anyway.

AGM is this day week, should be a big clear out of the old guard

Guffy

davetherave wrote: »

AGM is this day week, should be a big clear out of the old guard

Not a complete change but a stel in right direction i guess. At least one would like to think at any rate.

jack presley

For someone who doesn't know anything about the IAFA, can you explain what's going on and what the problem is?

OU812

jack presley wrote: »

For someone who doesn't know anything about the IAFA, can you explain what's going on and what the problem is?

I’m guessing (& I’m open to correction). They want a cut of the takings and are attempting to block hinge until they get it when they don’t need to be paid for anything and are doing nothing to warrant getting paid.

A bit like the “lock-hards” around Croker on big match days.

helimachoptor

OU812 wrote: »

I’m guessing (& I’m open to correction). They want a cut of the takings and are attempting to block hinge until they get it when they don’t need to be paid for anything and are doing nothing to warrant getting paid.

A bit like the “lock-hards” around Croker on big match days.

They should be looking at the impact bringing game has on the teams that are here 52 weeks a year. Can they get more players more sponsorship etc

davetherave

OU812 wrote: »

I’m guessing (& I’m open to correction). They want a cut of the takings and are attempting to block hinge until they get it when they don’t need to be paid for anything and are doing nothing to warrant getting paid.

A bit like the “lock-hards” around Croker on big match days.

jack presley wrote: »

For someone who doesn't know anything about the IAFA, can you explain what's going on and what the problem is?

helimachoptor wrote: »

They should be looking at the impact bringing game has on the teams that are here 52 weeks a year. Can they get more players more sponsorship etc

Just looking back at my scribbles from the league agm last year (not an association board member, just a team board member/rep).

1. Essentially IAFA is 10000 euro out of pocket after the situation due to legal fees and the legal costs owed for work done on the sanction contract to Irish American Events Limited (IAEL)
2. IAEL did not have sufficient insurance (their insurance only covered the promotional activity) and IAFA were advised that as the National Governing Body for American Football sanctioning the event could cause issues with their own insurance and invalidate it/push premiums up.
3. The Assistant Secretary for Tourism and Sport from Dept of Transport, Tourism, and Sport was invited but did not attend.

It went to a vote, I can't remember if it was unanimious or just a vast majority but it was passed that IAEL will no longer be engaged with by IAFA.


This was in the Commissioners Report

The one disappointment for the sport in 2016 was the ALCFC. The event organisers approached IAFA seeking sanction for their games, as is required under the International protocols and for various domestic reasons. From the outset, there was never any push from the organisers to engage with local fans – their main reasons for seeking sanction from us were on the regulatory front and to satisfy Government policy. IAFA did not make any requests of IAFA other than they comply with the minimum criteria for sanction. It even waived the application fee. Unfortunately, and in spite of IAFA making every effort to assist, including offering advice and extending deadlines for compliance, they failed to demonstrate compliance with minimum requirements including re: the necessary insurance/indemnification
and there were Code of Ethics failures including background check fails by event staff re: the High School games.

IAFA kept the Department and Minister’s Office appraised of the situation on a regular basis. There was also no cooperation with a suggestion made which may have resolved the lack of insurance issue. Unfortunately the problems materialised too late to be resolved without the cooperation of the organisers and the organisers decided to proceed on the basis that the State cannot physically stop a non-compliant event at present.

We are aware that, particularly due to the fatality at a recent uninsured, non-NGB sanctioned MMA event earlier this year, there have been very significant changes to the State’s views towards non-NGB sanctioned events. While too late to have an impact on the ALCFC – as grant monies had been paid out before the MMA fatality – based on Department
announcements it is expected that, going forward, it will be very difficult for the State to justify funding or providing assistance to any non-NGB regulated sporting event going forward. IAFA was told by Sport Ireland that it should not sanction non-compliant events. IFAF [International Federation of American Football] agreed with the decision to refuse sanction. Our insurance company was not happy with the insurance situation and our solicitor advised us not to sanction the event. In tandem with IAFA, both Trinity College Dublin and the Federation of Irish Sport withdrew from their involvement in the High School games. It is most regrettable that following the organisers failure to meet the minimum criteria, that they focused on trying to maliciously discredit our organisation rather than addressing their failures. A full presentation on the ALCFC will be made at the AGM.

This is what they said about the Gathering Bowl Navy vs Notre Dame in 2012

For the record, the State funding for the 2012 Navy v Notre Dame game was as follows:

Failte Ireland Festivals & Events Grant: €550,000
The Gathering Sponsorship: €450,000 - requested as grant aid when the game was proposed, but changed to 'sponsorship' at a later date
Tourism Ireland Cooperative Marketing: €60,000
Television Advertising purchased by Tourism Ireland: €90,000
Total: €1,160,000
The various parties with direct commercial interests in the 2012 game made an estimated profit of €15m.

midfield dynamo

Shame really. Really enjoyed the college games and the alcoholic networking during and after the games!!

Hopefully the IAFA get their house in order and we get a game in 2019. I won't hold my breath though!

brendanwalsh

Iafa wanted money for nothing. Some Mickey mouse organisation who thought they could give out demands to some of the biggest college football teams in America. It was laughable that they thought they could stop the match being played. The wanted ten grand or something to stamp a form saying the game could be played. In the end the ncaa, espn and the real money makers told them get lost and the game went ahead. Ncaa will be back again, the games have been a big success and the government want it to continue. It brings a couple of hundred million to the economy.

davetherave

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Iafa wanted money for nothing. Some Mickey mouse organisation who thought they could give out demands to some of the biggest college football teams in America. It was laughable that they thought they could stop the match being played. The wanted ten grand or something to stamp a form saying the game could be played. In the end the ncaa, espn and the real money makers told them get lost and the game went ahead. Ncaa will be back again, the games have been a big success and the government want it to continue.

IAFA did not make any requests of IAEL other than they comply with the minimum criteria for sanction. It even waived the application fee.

Good man.

So would it alright if the IRFU with 100 paid staff members and 220+ affiliated clubs or the FAI with 180 staff and millions in the bank decide as the national governing body take the decision to not to allow a commercial enterprise to proceed but because the association is a small amateur sport they are fair game?

LuckyLloyd

Game went ahead and was a huge success despite opposition and disapproval of the IAFA. Ergo the IAFA are irrelevant. That's the only reasonable conclusion, really.

EDIT: this was discussed in the game thread at the time: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100941748&postcount=631

brendanwalsh

davetherave wrote: »

Good man.

So would it alright if the IRFU with 100 paid staff members and 220+ affiliated clubs or the FAI with 180 staff and millions in the bank decide as the national governing body take the decision to not to allow a commercial enterprise to proceed but because the association is a small amateur sport they are fair game?

The irfu are a massive organisation with millions of euro underpinning them
Iafa are a sham of an operation and tried to cream a few quid for themselves out of something that had nothing to do with them. It was pathetic tbh. A few clowns telling the ncaa they weren't sanctioning a NCAA college football game? Lol. Don't worry lads, the biggest organisation in college football has sanctioned this one for ye

Still salty that ncaa and espn snubbed your backyard shed operation?

Bateman

The last thread on this got pretty stupid at the time, on both sides, won't help anyone to rehash it.

Schedules are all sorted now, but hopefully we get a game in 2019, I think it's certainly something that there is an audience for every 2 years anyway.

conor222

Haha, I'd forgotten what that thread descended into the last time :pac:

I'd like to see another game over, been to two of them here and really enjoyed them. I don't watch much college ball outside of draft prospects' highlight reels but enjoyed the atmosphere at the last two.

OU812

I reached out to them to ask if there was anything coming up & this is the response I got:



Hi,

Unfortunately we’re not in the position to announce anything just yet but we’ll make any announcements across our social media channels as soon as we know so keep a look out😊

Thanks,




So it looks like nothing happening