Pegasus Flight PC 8622 Reg TC-CPF Overruns runway in Turkey

vicwatson

Lucky no one was injured or killed

"It was raining and the runway was wet during the landing. The aircraft had troubles with slowing down on the runway, according to the flight path it had a speed of 110 knots (204km/h, 127mph) on the last third of the runway."

vicwatson

Gonna need some equipment to get that aircraft out of there

CoisFharraige

HMMM. New aircraft, normal enough runway length, rain and some fog... something not quite right there.

JCX BXC

CoisFharraige wrote: »

fog

Fog?

Bazzy

Could Ice have been a factor?

EchoIndia

Bazzy wrote: »

Could Ice have been a factor?

This site may be helpful. http://avherald.com/h?article=4b39bd2e&opt=0
The temperature was well above freezing but it was wet.

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Probably landed long, didn't apply adequate reverse thrust for the runway conditions. Probably.

Brennus335

The ILS onto 11 has a steep 3.3 degree glideslope too.
The LOC approach onto 29 is even steeper, at 3.5 degrees.

Brennus335

Fo is PF weather is at minimums. At minimums they see the runway fo disangages the autopilot but at the same time he presses the TOGA buttons.
Captain takes over, lowers the nose, and retards both thrust levers to idle They land at idle thrust and aircraft was dispatched with one reverser inop. Captain deploys the thrust reverser of the left engine and releases the right engine.
Since he hadn't disconnect the auto throttle right engine goes to TOGA thrust. Aircraft starts to accelerate and skids off the runway from the left. Right engine saparates.
All passengers evacuate the aircraft from the rear door.
No smoke in the cabin no injuries.

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Edit to clarify that this is just info that is doing the rounds on the grapevine.

smurfjed

@Brennus335 are you offering that as "fact" or your best "guess"?

Brennus335

smurfjed wrote: »

@Brennus335 are you offering that as "fact" or your best "guess"?

Neither. Just what's doing the grapevine around here.

smurfjed

OK, so its a WAG.
Albeit an interesting one.

vicwatson

Brennus335 wrote: »

Neither. Just what's doing the grapevine around here.

Grapevine is guess not fact

smurfjed

But if the grapevine happens to be 737 qualified pilots based in turkey, then it starts to get interesting.

The “possible cause” posted above is making the rounds through various aviation WhatsApp groups

bkehoe

vicwatson wrote: »

Grapevine is guess not fact

Well the 737 systems logic should disengage the auto throttle 2 seconds after touchdown so this seems incompatible with the grapevine!

Brennus335

vicwatson wrote: »

Grapevine is guess not fact

I never claimed otherwise.

billie1b

Brennus335 wrote: »

Neither. Just what's doing the grapevine around here.

Got the same info from a very good source thats flying in that part of the world.

jimmycrackcorm

Is it odd given the possibility of over running the runway and down a cliff, that planes landing should really approach in the opposite direction?

CoisFharraige

JCX BXC wrote: »

CoisFharraige wrote: »

fog

Fog?

? Read the METAR

Pat Dunne

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Is it odd given the possibility of over running the runway and down a cliff, that planes landing should really approach in the opposite direction?

Afraid it doesn't always work that way Jimmy. The direction of the wind will dictate which approach a aircraft will have to take when landing or taking off.

JCX BXC

CoisFharraige wrote: »

? Read the METAR

LTCG 132050Z 25001KT 2800 -RA BR BKN004 BKN025 08/07 Q1021 BECMG TL2100 3200=
LTCG 132020Z 24001KT 4000 -RA BR BKN003 BKN025 08/07 Q1021 NOSIG=

I have. Where's fog mentioned?

1123heavy

Brennus335 wrote: »

Fo is PF weather is at minimums. At minimums they see the runway fo disangages the autopilot but at the same time he presses the TOGA buttons.
Captain takes over, lowers the nose, and retards both thrust levers to idle They land at idle thrust and aircraft was dispatched with one reverser inop. Captain deploys the thrust reverser of the left engine and releases the right engine.
Since he hadn't disconnect the auto throttle right engine goes to TOGA thrust. Aircraft starts to accelerate and skids off the runway from the left. Right engine saparates.
All passengers evacuate the aircraft from the rear door.
No smoke in the cabin no injuries.

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Edit to clarify that this is just info that is doing the rounds on the grapevine.

A copy paste job from pprune? oh dear.

It never seizes to amaze me how people want to suddenly be judge and jury instantly whenever anything like this happens, having a little chat about what might have happened is human nature, but stuff like the above is essentially a mini report .. based on 0 fact.

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JCX BXC wrote:

LTCG 132050Z 25001KT 2800 -RA BR BKN004 BKN025 08/07 Q1021 BECMG TL2100 3200= LTCG 132020Z 24001KT 4000 -RA BR BKN003 BKN025 08/07 Q1021 NOSIG=

BR is mist.

JCX BXC

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BR is mist.

Yes, FG is Fog. FG is not mentioned, and I understand FG is anything under 1000m. Lowest Vis is 2800m.

Am I missing something here?

Storm 10

Sky News reporting that the pilots told investigators in Turkey that after landing the left engine had a power surge that they could not control and it turned left and down the cliff. They said they don't know what caused the power surge

EchoIndia

Storm 10 wrote: »

Sky News reporting that the pilots told investigators in Turkey that after landing the left engine had a power surge that they could not control and it turned left and down the cliff. They said they don't know what caused the power surge

Sky are no doubt reading the pprune discussion also.

Simon Gruber Says

Would need to be the right engine to turn the aircraft left. Was also the right engine that detached and is ahead of the aircraft in the pictures.

Irish Steve

Left engine in reverse and right engine at anything above ground idle would be a potential cause of "aggravation", especially if the runway surface was wet. The data recorder should make it easier to determine what happened and at what stage, but that may not become available until a formal accident report is published.

Doltanian

I wonder if the aircraft is a write off or salvageable?

Tenzor07

Doltanian wrote: »

I wonder if the aircraft is a write off or salvageable?

Complete write off, one of the engines was in the water and the landing gear would be mashed up into the body of the aircraft..

Comhrá

https://www.facebook.com/skynews/videos/2072746222739964/

el tel

Nice live feed https://www.facebook.com/RTnews/videos/10156373610529411/

el tel

Being lifted today Live Feed: https://www.facebook.com/RTnews/videos/10156373610529411/

Hector Savage

Will this aircraft be usable again ?

L1011

Hector Savage wrote: »

Will this aircraft be usable again ?

It is almost certainly repairable; economically repairable is a different question. Prior to the current era of hundreds of frames built a year some severe repairs were done (including a set of wings from a burnt out fuselage going on to a fuse with a destroyed wing, from memory) but its not really worth doing huge repairs to a narrowbody now.

By the time you add the cost of it being on the ground to the repair it stops being cheaper.

LeakRate

Amazing what they will do if its a young enough frame, similar incident with an Air France 747 back in 93, alot of work done, but flying for 17 years after. http://www.crashdehabsheim.net/autre%20crash%20a%20Tahiti.htm Article in French.

Doltanian

LeakRate wrote: »

Amazing what they will do if its a young enough frame, similar incident with an Air France 747 back in 93, alot of work done, but flying for 17 years after. http://www.crashdehabsheim.net/autre%20crash%20a%20Tahiti.htm Article in French.

Qantas also spent a huge amount to repair a 747 one time after a botched landing in Bangkok.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas_Flight_1

L1011

The AF one end up as the first 744 scrapped (it was an early build anyway though) so the repair did shorten it's life

Qantas have their frame loss reputation to preserve - suspect reputation is why that 744, possibly their 380 and almost certainly the burnt 787 and BA 777 were repaired - the last three for vendor and manufacturer reputation

Irish Steve

most recent mega cost repair I can think of was the 787 that had the ELT fire at Heathrow. Apparently, the biggest problem was actually working out how they were going to repair the carbon fibre structure, the issue being that it couldn't be flown to a repair station, so they ended up building a temporary hangar over it.