X5 crew cab

xabi

What’s the situation with these? From reading it seems they can’t be reclassified any longer. But can I buy one that was reclassified before the new regulations came in and run it as a commercial?

Del2005

If you can jump through the hoops of some county councils you can, they are clamping down on issuing commercial tax and crew cabs have a lot of criteria to meet.

colm_mcm

xabi wrote: »

What’s the situation with these? From reading it seems they can’t be reclassified any longer. But can I buy one that was reclassified before the new regulations came in and run it as a commercial?

It's not so much new regulations as enforcing the existing ones and cutting out the fraud that was rampant with the so-called SQIs

xabi

What’s SQI? Do X5’s fit the criteria?

And what about BIK, are crew cabs classed as commercial for BIK?

R.O.R

xabi wrote: »

What’s SQI? Do X5’s fit the criteria?

And what about BIK, are crew cabs classed as commercial for BIK?

There's no such thing as commercial BIK.

There's van BIK and crew cabs aren't vans.

colm_mcm

xabi wrote: »

What’s SQI? Do X5’s fit the criteria?

And what about BIK, are crew cabs classed as commercial for BIK?

An SQI is a suitably qualified individual, as determined by Revenue. In order for a crewcab to be a crewcab, it had to have certain dimensions, load area, door aperture etc. A lot of SQIs got a bit creative with the measuring tape, and a lot of stuff that was way too small got signed off. That's all changed now of course, but it was a ridiculous system to start with, and Revenue should have had a list of vehicles that didn't qualify themselves and investigate/prosecute those trying to defraud them.

Gumbo

Basically, new classifications as crew cab are very tough and can’t be done.
If you buy an existing crew cab you can continue to enjoy its classification.
You may need to fill out a goods declaration on your first taxing after change of ownership. After that it can be done online.

eskerman

I was looking at an X5 that is rated for commercial tax and it has seats in the back - basically it hasn't been changed from what you would get in a standard X5 for private use. I am a sole trader so I assume I can tax this vehicle commercially as it would be used in conjunction with my business - was planning on upgrading my car and was offered the X5 at the right money

Private road tax rates in this country are criminal - but thats another story

colm_mcm

What’s actually criminal is SQIs fraudulently declaring cars to meet regulations they didn’t. Such as the X5.

Del2005

eskerman wrote: »

Private road tax rates in this country are criminal - but thats another story

On the new CO2 based private tax most are much cheaper than commercial tax for a similar vehicle
, which is still on cc. But people will still complain about commercial vs private tax and want the cheapest rate to apply to the vehicle they want to drive, so a commercial which is cheaper on private they want the private rate but if the private rate is more they want the commercial rate.

dr.fuzzenstein

colm_mcm wrote: »

What’s actually criminal is SQIs fraudulently declaring cars to meet regulations they didn’t. Such as the X5.

Well, if that had been done by the previous owner, I guess the OP could carry on with this classification. Certain responsibility has to lie with whoever signed off on it. It's not like they never seen an X5 before or couldn't look it up.

colm_mcm

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well, if that had been done by the previous owner, I guess the OP could carry on with this classification. Certain responsibility has to lie with whoever signed off on it. It's not like they never seen an X5 before or couldn't look it up.

ITs a bit like a ‘2.0 on the book’ 530d though. Even if you bought it like that, it doesn’t make it right.

eskerman

I have never taxed a vehicle commercially and I am not about to make a silly decision because I was offered an X5 that can be taxed commercially - its a 3000cc petrol engine which I think would cost circa €1800 / year which is criminal and no justification for it.. so much for the motoring organisations like the AA and SIMI etc who dont have any interest in challenging this stupidity.

I am only "sort-off" interested because it was offered to me at a good price - personally I would much prefer to buy a Subaru but thats not going to happen. I planned changing my car shortly and the X5 would not have been my preference - I am not into cars per say - its purely for practical purposes and I do like to be a little higher up and with plenty of room and comfort for long journeys that I make

eskerman

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well, if that had been done by the previous owner, I guess the OP could carry on with this classification. Certain responsibility has to lie with whoever signed off on it. It's not like they never seen an X5 before or couldn't look it up.

As far as I know the X5 has been classified for commercial tax rate since new - its a 2006 model and its had three pervious owners - I think the problem maybe that some pen-pusher in the Dept of Transport may decide to close this off and put owners of these types of vehicles on notice that the law will change and they will be clarified for private tax rates - which have destroyed the larger -bigger engine cars in Ireland -

Road tax rates are penal and I know its a different topic to this thread

colm_mcm

The emissions changes to the private tax system in 08 actually made a lot of larger engined cars way cheaper to tax. The problem with taxing a crew cab of any age privately is that it reverts back to the older cc system.

eskerman

colm_mcm wrote: »

The emissions changes to the private tax system in 08 actually made a lot of larger engined cars way cheaper to tax. The problem with taxing a crew cab of any age privately is that it reverts back to the older cc system.

Yes I am aware of that - and I think the system is just messed up with this rule which of course was exploited. I will probably take a miss on this X5 - even though I am a VAT registered sole trader - I just liked the size and comfort of the X5 and I am not a BMW fan boy by any means - I prefer older cars up to circa 2008 that are not running totally on a bundle of computers - less is more and I like to have a proper key for the ignition - call me old school perhaps

Behind you Joey

eskerman wrote: »

Yes I am aware of that - and I think the system is just messed up with this rule which of course was exploited. I will probably take a miss on this X5 - even though I am a VAT registered sole trader - I just liked the size and comfort of the X5 and I am not a BMW fan boy by any means - I prefer older cars up to circa 2008 that are not running totally on a bundle of computers - less is more and I like to have a proper key for the ignition - call me old school perhaps

Did you ever get a concrete answer on this topic? I see several 5 seater alleged crew cab X5 and similar ML Mercedes on done deal advertised at the 333 commercial rate. However, I'd find it hard to believe in this day and age that if a Garda stopped me and inquired about my commercial purposes regarding the vehicle that it would fly. That's if, it got through the motor tax office and signed off as a crew cab in the first place.

I think they're beautiful cars and the less technology the better. Looking at this one at the minute for example: https://www.donedeal.ie/commercials-for-sale/bmw-x5-for-sale/19412542

Any guidance would be much appreciated.

gearoidol

eskerman wrote: »

I have never taxed a vehicle commercially and I am not about to make a silly decision because I was offered an X5 that can be taxed commercially - its a 3000cc petrol engine which I think would cost circa €1800 / year which is criminal and no justification for it.. so much for the motoring organisations like the AA and SIMI etc who dont have any interest in challenging this stupidity.

I am only "sort-off" interested because it was offered to me at a good price - personally I would much prefer to buy a Subaru but thats not going to happen. I planned changing my car shortly and the X5 would not have been my preference - I am not into cars per say - its purely for practical purposes and I do like to be a little higher up and with plenty of room and comfort for long journeys that I make

just be careful, x5s are not ford focus's.if the cost of tax worries you wait until you have to keep them going.There wont be many repair bills under 1k and if you have auto gear box issues for example (which has been remarkable common in the x5s owned by family and friends) you will be looking at some serious bills. Its important not to forget these are 100k cars new so when something goes wrong it can be costly