Hostiles

laserlad2010

Couldn't find a thread on this.

Went to see this in Cineworld and overall didn't feel it was a great film. It was a great idea with some pretty powerful scenes but there were a lot of intense moments which I felt the audience couldn't resonate with.

There was so much packaging noise and chatter in the cinema that it robbed the movie of any potential power it had - perhaps watching it at home might improve it!

Bale was seriously intense as always but the storyline was jarring in places,

For example by the end it's implied that Chief Yellow Hawk's death is the death of the old way of war for Bale's character, and that they've fought many times over the years coming to remind each other of old pride and glory, but that's really not obvious apart from a line about the Chief killing some of his friends

The wanton killing at times was rightly shocking but also seemed gratuitous and deliberately making a point.

8 or 9 people walked out of it after 15 mins - I could understand why as it was a slog at times. Thoughts?

Beechwoodspark

Ok I love westerns. This is without doubt one of the best I’ve seen in the last decade say.

Fantastic performance by Bale. Good script. Great action scenes. Brilliant cinematography and also soundtrack excellent.

Yes the pacing is slow but in my opinion that adds to it.

Thought provoking, and so world weary and melancholy in parts.

A very strong 8 out of 10 for me and I’m very hard to please !

laserlad2010

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

A very strong 8 out of 10 for me and I’m very hard to please !

Yes I don't disagree with some of what you've said but at the same time this just didn't suck me into the story.

Spon Farmer

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Ok I love westerns. This is without doubt one of the best I’ve seen in the last decade say.

Fantastic performance by Bale. Good script. Great action scenes. Brilliant cinematography and also soundtrack excellent.

Yes the pacing is slow but in my opinion that adds to it.

Thought provoking, and so world weary and melancholy in parts.

A very strong 8 out of 10 for me and I’m very hard to please !

This one came out of nowhere for me. I hadn't heard anything about an the first I saw it existed was when I was checking times for Star Wars a couple of days ago.

I absolutely loved it for the reasons you mention above including the fact that it rocked away very slowly and everyone put in great performances.

I'm not sure how I feel about how the story dealt with the encounter the fur traders. I seemed like the film moved passed something as serious as rape very quickly but at the same time how did people deal with that at the time and in that environment. Pike, Kilcher and Beatty silent perfoance in the aftermath were very powerful.

Also, what became of Sergeant Malloy? The last I saw of him was singing at the campfire. Was he killed is Wills' escape or did Blocker leave him behind to tend Kidder as he was dying? There was no mention of him that I recall.

Killinator

Regarding Sgt Malloy

He was killed on the raid with the fur traders. Blocker came out of the tent and said 'Malloy's dead'

TerrorFirmer

Thought this was pretty solid. Slow, but in a good way, stunning visually and good performances especially from Bale who is almost infalliable, really. Pretty bleak too, no great bones made about the sheer cruelty of the time and how little a life can mean in violent times.

re: Sgt Molloy, he

dies after going into the fur traders tent with Joe, who coldly announces 'Molloy's dead' as he strides out so matter of factly you almost miss it

.

Good film overall in every sense, but especially worth seeing if you're a fan of slow burning Westerns.

Josey Wales

I loved this film. I had seen the trailer once and the film wasn't quite what I was expecting. The performances were all great, especially Christian Bale. Also I've come around on Rosamund Pike. Thought she was dreadful in Jack Reacher but after this and Gone Girl she has changed my mind.

I thought the way the ended the movie was fantastic.

Spon Farmer

Killinator wrote: »

Regarding Sgt Malloy

He was killed on the raid with the fur traders. Blocker came out of the tent and said 'Malloy's dead'

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

re: Sgt Molloy, he

dies after going into the fur traders tent with Joe, who coldly announces 'Molloy's dead' as he strides out so matter of factly you almost miss it

.

Thank you both.

I thought Blocker said

"they (the fur traders)are all dead"

Greyfox

laserlad2010 wrote: »

8 or 9 people walked out of it after 15 mins - I could understand why as it was a slog at times. Thoughts?

These people are idiots. Overall I really enjoyed it even though it was quite bleak. The little bit of action was done brilliantly, it was good to see shots missing and people getting shot on both sides as it's a lot more realistic

Beechwoodspark

Yep Rosamund Pike was excellent in it. One small gripe is I would’ve liked to have more of a backstory on the Indian chief and why Bale hated him so much. They told us why but one golden rule in cinema is “don’t tell, show”.

yourdeadwright

Quick question should there have been subtitles on this  ?
 I watched it last night a downloaded version and there was no subtitles when they spoke to the Indian's but it didn't seem to matter as it was obvious what the conversation where about due to Bales reaction to the rest of the group , Where these parts subtitled in the cinema ?

Captain Red Beard

You can download subtitles for it.

Tony EH

laserlad2010 wrote: »

8 or 9 people walked out of it after 15 mins

FFS :rolleyes:

yourdeadwright

I think this has to be the best western movie in the last 10 years,
Bale is super, he plays intense characters better than anyone,
It really showed the harness of the time and loved how the action scenes felt very real and brutal for everyone ,not dressed up Movies scenes favouring the hero's that Hollywood like to give us

laserlad2010

laserlad2010 wrote: »

Couldn't find a thread on this.

Went to see this in Cineworld and overall didn't feel it was a great film. It was a great idea with some pretty powerful scenes but there were a lot of intense moments which I felt the audience couldn't resonate with.

There was so much packaging noise and chatter in the cinema that it robbed the movie of any potential power it had - perhaps watching it at home might improve it!

Bale was seriously intense as always but the storyline was jarring in places,

For example by the end it's implied that Chief Yellow Hawk's death is the death of the old way of war for Bale's character, and that they've fought many times over the years coming to remind each other of old pride and glory, but that's really not obvious apart from a line about the Chief killing some of his friends

The wanton killing at times was rightly shocking but also seemed gratuitous and deliberately making a point.

8 or 9 people walked out of it after 15 mins - I could understand why as it was a slog at times. Thoughts?

How anyone could walk out of that film after 15 mins is beyond me. Its not like they wouldn't have known it was a Western, and unless they were 15 year olds who didn't know any better there would really be no reason whatsoever to walk out of that.
For me it wasn't a slow burner at all, it starts off pretty damn fast and then the tale unfolds at a pace I'd expect in a world where times were much simpler.

Really enjoyed it, mind you if there had been half a dozen maltese's rustlers and phone checkers watching a movie like this it would have been a totally different experience...