It's worming time

hairyslug

Reminder popped up today to worm the dogs. We finished our last pack so can anyone recommend any (or are they all the same). Also, can you, or do you need to get certain ones for a dog with a sensitive digestive system.

With the 3 month schedule, is there a time near the end of those 3 months that makes the dogs more susceptible to getting worms.

tk123

You could always worm count - if you don't mind collecting samples lol I found a bag of small ziplock bags in a press in work months ago and it was like winning the lotto!

Cheaper and you don't need to treat them unless they actually have worms - for us it's been never. I use westlab.ie

hairyslug

tk123 wrote: »

You could always worm count - if you don't mind collecting samples lol I found a bag of small ziplock bags in a press in work months ago and it was like winning the lotto!

Cheaper and you don't need to treat them unless they actually have worms - for us it's been never. I use westlab.ie

Thanks, without going into to much detail, I presume it's not every poop you check and it's a quick look or are we talking CSI lab investigation.

Choc Chip

I worm regularly - we're on a farm and despite best efforts the pair of them would be exposed to worms and fleas... nuff said!

I make sure mine covers the main 4 types (tape, round, whip and hook from memory but someone might correct me). I use pancur for lungworm once or twice a year.

I change wormers each time to avoid a build-up of resistant worms but that's just something I was taught when I was a teenager (a long long time ago). Advice might have changed since... I'm not even sure whether they have different active ingredients, its totally just habit on my part!

tk123

hairyslug wrote: »

Thanks, without going into to much detail, I presume it's not every poop you check and it's a quick look or are we talking CSI lab investigation.

You basically collect 3 small 'nuggets' like the size of a grape and send it off - you need 3 consecutive days for the lungworm test so e.g. collect Mon/tues/wed. If you have multiple dogs I'd suggest colour coding the poo bags to avoid confusing yourself lol :pac:

hairyslug

Can worming tabs make dogs sick, since worming, all dogs have vomited once, first Brendan and Lucy and now Nala, only nala hasn't stopped since about 6 this morning. She's in OK form, not her normal self though. We are off to the vets in an hour

tk123

hairyslug wrote: »

Can worming tabs make dogs sick, since worming, all dogs have vomited once, first Brendan and Lucy and now Nala, only nala hasn't stopped since about 6 this morning. She's in OK form, not her normal self though. We are off to the vets in an hour

A few people have posted that their dogs were sick the last few weeks in the chillout zone thread and Bailey has been sick the last few days - I wonder is there a bug going around? Initially I thought it was the previcox he was on or that he ate something in the bushes - he seemed to bounce back on thurs but got worse. Last time he was sick was at 2 this morning but he's been very bright and happy even after fasting since yesterday. I've just given him a small meal and watching him like a hawk - vet closes at 3 so if he gets sick he's going!

hairyslug

Thanks, the vet was happy with her, as with kids, as soon as they are in front of a doctor/vet, they pick up and there's not a bother on her. She had an antibiotic injection and something to stop her vomiting. Antibiotics are to continue for the next few days.

The man in red and black

hairyslug wrote: »

With the 3 month schedule, is there a time near the end of those 3 months that makes the dogs more susceptible to getting worms.

Common question. Dewormers actually kill the worms on the day given and very few in small animals have any residual effects. So they don't prevent the dogs from getting new worms even days later. On the other hand a product like Bravecto for flea/ticks/mites continues to be active for the 3 month period and is still killing them on the last day as shown in their studies.

Knine

Unfortunately it has also allegedly killed a few dogs. I won't be using it on mine.

muddypaws

Knine wrote: »

Unfortunately it has also allegedly killed a few dogs. I won't be using it on mine.

Allegedly being the important word there.

Knine

muddypaws wrote: »

Allegedly being the important word there.

Oh I agree but I don't think I will be taking any chances.

tk123

Somebody on one of the Irish raw feeding groups commented not too long ago that their friend's otherwise healthy dog had died from it - all their bills we paid by the company.

Having had our checks always come back clear I'd never dose for the sake of it - we're not at risk in our case anyways so there's no need.

muddypaws

tk123 wrote: »

Somebody on one of the Irish raw feeding groups commented not too long ago that their friend's otherwise healthy dog had died from it - all their bills we paid by the company.

Having had our checks always come back clear I'd never dose for the sake of it - we're not at risk in our case anyways so there's no need.

Their friend's dog, not their own? Urban myths are always about someone else, a friend, a cousin etc.

There was an interesting discussion about stuff like this somewhere else, and a vet joined in. Unfortunately it was all deleted when someone threw a strop, but the vet said that they had a client who was at the surgery for some preventative treatment, worming or flea treatment, then got loose as it left the surgery, got knocked down and killed. The dog's death was partially attributed to the treatment because if it hadn't been at the vets, it wouldn't have died, so that death went into the statistics about that particular product.

tk123

muddypaws wrote: »

Their friend's dog, not their own? Urban myths are always about someone else, a friend, a cousin etc.

Yes their friend...not their cousin's mother's uncle etc I felt they were genuine as they have no need to lie when 99% of the people on that group don't treat anyways so don't need any convincing.
Usually the people profiting off selling them are the ones who throw a strop.

The man in red and black

tk123 wrote: »

Having had our checks always come back clear I'd never dose for the sake of it - we're not at risk in our case anyways so there's no need.

Doing faecals is a good idea but bear in mind you can get negatives if not shedding at that time. Also tapeworms are seldom seen on faecals even in infected dogs.

Do you mind me asking how your dogs would not be at risk of worms? Having worked abroad and now home in Ireland, we have the perfect climate for worms in all species, warm and moist weather is ideal and that's us most of the year.(Relatively warm anyway)

tk123

The man in red and black wrote: »

Do you mind me asking how your dogs would not be at risk of worms? Having worked abroad and now home in Ireland, we have the perfect climate for worms in all species, warm and moist weather is ideal and that's us most of the year.(Relatively warm anyway)

We've never had to deal with parasites in 8 years so i'm pretty confident they're not at risk in the places we walk. They do have rabbits ears a few times a week which are a natural de-wormer... but I feed them because they love them lol - the de-worming is an added bonus

The man in red and black

tk123 wrote: »

We've never had to deal with parasites in 8 years so i'm pretty confident they're not at risk in the places we walk. They do have rabbits ears a few times a week which are a natural de-wormer... but I feed them because they love them lol - the de-worming is an added bonus

If they are walked in areas where other dogs walk they are at risk. Plus lungworm is becoming more prevalent and there are slugs everywhere. I would be cautious about not deworming ever. Most adult dogs won't show overt clinical signs of roundworms or tapeworms, but could be shedding intermittently and some of these worms are contagious to humans. I have seen cases of intestinal obstruction due to severe parasite loads in pets showing no clinical signs prior to that episode.

This is a link to Dog's Trust's advice on deworming. It's the first link that came to hand when searching for rough guidelines and they are pretty well put together there.

https://www.dogstrust.ie/help-advice/dog-behaviour-health/worms-ticks-and-fleas

tk123

Thanks for the advice but as I said - I won’t be treating unless they have actually something (and it won’t be with chemicals either). The same way I don’t treat myself for nits and worms on the off chance I might have them.

wexford awake

i got a rescue dog last week, and we have discovered he's crawling with worms, dosed him with Triflexis, as per advice of Vet and that should do the trick, but i have too small kids that have been playing with the dog ALOT. Should I dose them as a precautionary measure?. How common are worm infestation transmission from dog to child. The kids have had worms before, but they were the human threadworms. Livid with the rescue in question, as they told me dog was treated ad vacinated etc. Thanks in advance:mad:

Knine

wexford awake wrote: »

i got a rescue dog last week, and we have discovered he's crawling with worms, dosed him with Triflexis, as per advice of Vet and that should do the trick, but i have too small kids that have been playing with the dog ALOT. Should I dose them as a precautionary measure?. How common are worm infestation transmission from dog to child. The kids have had worms before, but they were the human threadworms. Livid with the rescue in question, as they told me dog was treated ad vacinated etc. Thanks in advance:mad:

Ah these things can happen, especially if he had a very heavy burden. Do you know what type of worm your dog is infected with? Roundworms can cause issue if the eggs are ingested. Make sure the children wash hands after playing with the dog or handling food and pick up any poo straight away You don't dose the children for roundworm.

I am not very familar with that wormer & with a heavy burden it can be difficult to get all life stages so the rescue may well have treated him. You will probably have to repeat the treatment in a few weeks.

wexford awake

Knine wrote: »

Ah these things can happen, especially if he had a very heavy burden. Do you know what type of worm your dog is infected with? Roundworms can cause issue if the eggs are ingested. Make sure the children wash hands after playing with the dog or handling food and pick up any poo straight away You don't dose the children for roundworm.

I am not very familar with that wormer & with a heavy burden it can be difficult to get all life stages so the rescue may well have treated him. You will probably have to repeat the treatment in a few weeks.

Thanks Knine Definately Tapeworms, there were segments crawling out of his anus (sorry for the graphic image). Dose vet gave me covers fleas and worms.Wouldnt be surprised if he had roundworms too. Are roundworms the one that can blind a person?