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More than half of new Norway car sales now electric or hybrid

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  • 03-01-2018 7:26pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭


    From RTÉ:
    RTE wrote:
    Sales of electric and hybrid cars exceeded half of new registrations in Norway in 2017, a record aided by generous subsidies that extended the Nordic nation's lead in a shift from fossil-fuel engines.

    Pure electric cars and hybrids, which have both battery power and a diesel or petrol motor, accounted for 52% of all new car sales in 2017 in Norway against 40% in 2016, the independent Norwegian Road Federation (OFV) said.

    "No one else is close" in terms of a national share of electric cars, OFV chief Oeyvind Solberg Thorsen said.

    "For the first time we have a fossil fuel market share below 50%."

    Meanwhile in Ireland, we have a fossil fuel market share of 96%.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 73,454 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Yeah but if Ireland imposed a 95% registration tax on new ICEs, people would drive more electric cars here too.
    Norwegians are just trying to save 50% on the cost of a car and get other incentives.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,278 ✭✭✭mordeith


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Yeah but if Ireland imposed a 95% registration tax on new ICEs, people would drive more electric cars here too.
    Norwegians are just trying to save 50% on the cost of a car and get other incentives.

    It's working though


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Norway, a country rich on oil and gas
    Still, look at all those eco friendly electric cars
    It’s only a facade


  • Registered Users Posts: 73,454 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    So would just banning everything else but electric cars. I'm all for electric cars being successful on their own merits, and Norways general approach towards looking to the future. It has to be considered that the reason Norway's economy is doing so well is because of their oil and gas exports.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,278 ✭✭✭mordeith


    Norway, a country rich on oil and gas
    Still, look at all those eco friendly electric cars
    It’s only a facade

    They produce over 90% of domestic energy from hydro electric. Their smugness is probably justified considering it's countries like ours are consuming their exports


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  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭koheim


    So, in total 158k new cars where sold in Norway last year (Same population as Ireland, but with a land area 5 times larger!!!). Some interesting facts:
    -Nissan Leaf was only the 8th most sold car
    - E-golf was top of the list, almost 7k cars sold in 2017
    - Other Electric Cars on top 10; BMW i3 was 2nd (5036 cars sold), Tesla Model X was 4th (4748 cars sold), Tesla Model S was 7th
    - All other cars on top 10 list were either plug in hybrids or hybrid cars
    - Most popular diesel car was 14th (Volvo V90)
    - 21% of all cars sold in Norway in 2017 was Electric (in 2016 this was 29%)

    For those interested here is a link to a paper that explains the policies andinfrastructure decisions behind all of this:
    https://wpstatic.idium.no/elbil.no/2016/08/EVS30-Charging-infrastrucure-experiences-in-Norway-paper.pdf


  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭koheim


    Another interesting fact is that even though Norway is a producer of oil and gas, none of this is used to produce electricity. Almost all the electricity in Norway is produced by hydropower, so focus on renewable energy is very high.


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    koheim wrote: »
    Another interesting fact is that even though Norway is a producer of oil and gas, none of this is used to produce electricity. Almost all the electricity in Norway is produced by hydropower, so focus on renewable energy is very high.

    They export their oil and gas. It’s amazing what you can afford to do when you sell your pollutants elsewhere.

    Their hands are not clean


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,278 ✭✭✭mordeith


    They export their oil and gas. It’s amazing what you can afford to do when you sell your pollutants elsewhere.

    Their hands are not clean

    Perhaps not but at least they are making an effort. All you get in other countries are lobbyists against green energy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭ewj1978


    They export their oil and gas. It’s amazing what you can afford to do when you sell your pollutants elsewhere.

    Their hands are not clean

    And if you talk to any Norwegian they realise the irony in it all but they are atleast investing the income from those fossil fuels into clean tech.
    Ireland on the other hand just signed away our rights to big business for quick cash.


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  • Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    serfboard wrote: »
    From RTÉ:


    Pure electric cars and hybrids, which have both battery power and a diesel or petrol motor, accounted for 52% of all new car sales in 2017 in Norway against 40% in 2016, the independent Norwegian Road Federation (OFV) said.

    "No one else is close" in terms of a national share of electric cars, OFV chief Oeyvind Solberg Thorsen said.

    "For the first time we have a fossil fuel market share below 50%."

    Do hybrids not use fossil fuels? The truth is that the new cars market was still near 80% using fossil fuels


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,119 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    serfboard wrote: »
    From RTÉ:


    Pure electric cars and hybrids, which have both battery power and a diesel or petrol motor, accounted for 52% of all new car sales in 2017 in Norway against 40% in 2016, the independent Norwegian Road Federation (OFV) said.

    "No one else is close" in terms of a national share of electric cars, OFV chief Oeyvind Solberg Thorsen said.

    "For the first time we have a fossil fuel market share below 50%."

    Do hybrids not use fossil fuels? The truth is that the new cars market was still near 80% using fossil fuels


    Its a misleading BS headline alright. You can't include hybrids in that figure and you could argue including PHEV's is misleading too.

    They have massively incentivised EV's and they still "only" managed 21% BEV which shows its not just about the money.

    People want choice first and thats a few years away unfortunately.


    This line is more interesting though.... "Sales of diesel cars fell most in 2017, to 23% from 31% in 2016."
    Thats a big drop in one year and I presume most of those went hybrid so I suppose it all helps.... diesel-->hybrid-->PHEV-->BEV..... as long as they are moving everything in that direction its all good.


  • Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    KCross wrote: »
    Its a misleading BS headline alright. You can't include hybrids in that figure and you could argue including PHEV's is misleading too.

    They have massively incentivised EV's and they still "only" managed 21% BEV which shows its not just about the money.

    People want choice first and thats a few years away unfortunately.


    This line is more interesting though.... "Sales of diesel cars fell most in 2017, to 23% from 31% in 2016."
    Thats a big drop in one year and I presume most of those went hybrid so I suppose it all helps.... diesel-->hybrid-->PHEV-->BEV..... as long as they are moving everything in that direction its all good.

    Also interesting

    " 21% of all cars sold in Norway in 2017 was Electric (in 2016 this was 29%)"


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭cros13


    KCross wrote: »
    This line is more interesting though.... "Sales of diesel cars fell most in 2017, to 23% from 31% in 2016."
    Thats a big drop in one year and I presume most of those went hybrid so I suppose it all helps.... diesel-->hybrid-->PHEV-->BEV..... as long as they are moving everything in that direction its all good.

    Most of the Hybrids in the Norwegian sales numbers are PHEVs.


  • Registered Users Posts: 156 ✭✭koheim


    Here are the top 15 sold cars in Norway 2017:
    1. Volkswagen e-Golf, electric
    2. BMW i3, electric
    3. Toyota Rav 4, hybrid
    4. Tesla Model X, electric
    5. Mitsubishi Outlander, plugin-hybrid
    6. Toyota Yaris, hybrid
    7. Tesla Model S, electric
    8. Nissan Leaf, electric
    9. Volkswagen Passat, plugin-hybrid
    10. Toyota Auris, hybrid
    11. Toyota C-HR, hybrid
    12. Mercedes-Benz GLC, plugin-hybrid
    13. Renault Zoe, electric
    14. Volvo V90, diesel
    15. Volkswagen Golf, plugin-hybrid


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,284 ✭✭✭cros13


    Here's their sales mix over the last 11 years:

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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,031 ✭✭✭Patser


    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/48404351/why-is-norway-the-land-of-electric-cars

    BBC with a good item on this and the incentives Norway uses.

    Being allowed to use bus lanes would be so sweet


  • Posts: 2,078 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ewj1978 wrote: »
    And if you talk to any Norwegian they realise the irony in it all but they are atleast investing the income from those fossil fuels into clean tech.
    Ireland on the other hand just signed away our rights to big business for quick cash.

    Amazing how big business with this amazing giveaway has yet to sell a single barrel of these supposed billions under our seas.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,338 ✭✭✭sk8board


    Patser wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/av/48404351/why-is-norway-the-land-of-electric-cars

    BBC with a good item on this and the incentives Norway uses.

    Being allowed to use bus lanes would be so sweet

    The over-riding factor is the same in Norway as Ireland or anywhere - forcing behavioral change on climate needs to make financial sense for the consumer, and not just hope that people will buy an EV because it’s the right thing to do.

    I’ve never met an EV driver tell me about how he’s happy to help save the planet with a €40k Kona, but he’ll happily tell me what it costs to tax and fill up :)

    Likewise, I haven’t a clue what my 420d emits in g/CO2, but I know it’s the cheapest car I’ve ever taxed or run.


  • Registered Users Posts: 73,454 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Doesn’t Norway also massively tax non electric cars?
    If we were still putting huge VRT on cars as we were pre 2008, then incentives to drive electric would mean massive savings vs diesel.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Doesn’t Norway also massively tax non electric cars?
    If we were still putting huge VRT on cars as we were pre 2008, then incentives to drive electric would mean massive savings vs diesel.

    That's correct.


  • Registered Users Posts: 65,401 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Interesting thread title. Only a year later and now 58% of all new cars sold in Norway are pure electric!

    The sale of cars with internal combustion engines (petrol / diesel / hybrid / plug in hybrid) will be banned completely in Norway in 5 years time. And for taxis in Oslo in just 3 years time...


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,029 ✭✭✭Sabre Man




  • Registered Users Posts: 3,338 ✭✭✭sk8board


    Sabre Man wrote: »

    Same as in Ireland - merc are 33% down this year, being killed by higher tax after the wltp reclassifications.
    Things like the GLA and GLC went up €5-7k, and the annual tax jumped a few brackets, which puts them waaay out of the market.

    https://stats.beepbeep.ie


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,705 ✭✭✭serfboard


    Sabre Man wrote: »
    From that article:
    The Model 3 is far and away the top selling car in Norway in 2019 so far.
    Not just best selling EV - best selling car.

    And 9 of the Top 10 were BEVs - the only exception being the Outlander PHEV, at number 5.

    Pure fossil fuel cars were at 22% market share (12% Petrol, 10% Diesel) down from 36% last year.


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