2 speed vans

Whatadope · 31-12-2017 9:17pm #1

My friend was driving to dublin heading to red cow few miles outside dublin where speed limit reduces from 120 to 100km near topaz station I think he said he was doing 110km he passed 2 speed vans few hundred feet apart on same side does this mean he went through 2 speed traps ? And also do gardia speed vans park on motorway bridges

Victor · 01-01-2018 12:46am

Whatadope wrote: »

does this mean he went through 2 speed traps ?

Possibly. Did he not think "Maybe I should behave?" at the first one?

And also do gardia speed vans park on motorway bridges

I think Garda speed checks are meant to stop the stop the driver if they were caught speeding, so it might not have been.

Whatadope · 01-01-2018 12:55am

Victor wrote: »

Possibly. Did he not think "Maybe I should behave?" at the first one?

I think Garda speed checks are meant to stop the stop the driver if they were caught speeding, so it might not have been.

Thanks one van was on the road the other was on a garda ramp he probably has 6 pently points I was just wondering about the bridge saw a van parked on a motorway bridge couldn't tell what was written on it

brian_t · 01-01-2018 11:02am

Victor wrote: »

Pos
I think Garda speed checks are meant to stop the stop the driver if they were caught speeding, so it might not have been.

The OP referred to a Garda Speed Van. They just take your picture and post you the fine so they would have to park parrallel to the road.

Traffic Corp jeeps might park on a brdge.

According to the Gards a small percentage of Speed Vans are just monitoring speeds and don't issue tickets (although I may be wrong on that).

Whatadope · 01-01-2018 12:04pm

brian_t wrote: »

The OP referred to a Garda Speed Van. They just take your picture and post you the fine so they would have to park parrallel to the road.

Traffic Corp jeeps might park on a brdge.

According to the Gards a small percentage of Speed Vans are just monitoring speeds and don't issue tickets (although I may be wrong on that).

He is worried that he went through 2 separate speed traps and that he has 6 pently points

jimmynokia · 01-01-2018 12:07pm

Well 6 points regardless is enough to say slow down..

GhostyMcGhost · 01-01-2018 12:10pm

Whatadope wrote: »

He is worried that he went through 2 separate speed traps and that he has 6 pently points

Can't be that worried if he didn't slow down after the first 3 points

Whatadope · 01-01-2018 12:16pm

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Can't be that worried if he didn't slow down after the first 3 points

I know he didn't see them until he was on too off them I didn't know they did 2 speed vans so close is it because off 3 lanes ?

Seth Brundle · 01-01-2018 12:18pm

Whatadope wrote: »

I know he didn't see them until he was on too off them I didn't know they did 2 speed vans so close is it because off 3 lanes ?

I'd say it's because of people speeding whilst oblivious to the obvious!
Your friend is a dumbass and deserved to get caught! Twice!

Snotty · 01-01-2018 3:26pm

It's actually a great money making idea, people slow down for first one cause someone flashes them, they they speed up and get caught by the second one.

GhostyMcGhost · 01-01-2018 5:48pm

Snotty wrote: »

It's actually a great money making idea, people slow down for first one cause someone flashes them, they they speed up and get caught by the second one.

Average speed cameras work better in that situation (IMO in most situations)

Sue Pa Key Pa · 01-01-2018 7:05pm

Snotty wrote: »

It's actually a great money making idea, people slow down for first one cause someone flashes them, they they speed up and get caught by the second one.

If drivers think they can safely break the speed limit for a while after passing a speed van, they deserve to have their pockets emptied

Samuel T. Cogley · 01-01-2018 9:53pm

How often do most of you drive? I do the speed limit (most of the time) after getting three points. There is hardly ever anything other than auld ones and lorries going slower than me; 99% of cars overtake me on the M1/A1. I'm not condoning it, but perhaps a little less of the high horse (power - see what I did there).

And I'm going by the satnav not the speedo which under reads.

Whatadope · 01-01-2018 10:22pm

I wonder if he gets 6 pently points how much does insurance go up ?

Samuel T. Cogley · 02-01-2018 7:50am

I remember something about points and only one set being applied. Can't remember in exactly what thread. 6 points would be a jump in insurance, 3 very little if any jump. BTW if he was doing 110 on his speedo he's very little to worry about as he would have been doing around 100 anyway.

GM228 · 02-01-2018 8:27am

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I remember something about points and only one set being applied. Can't remember in exactly what thread. 6 points would be a jump in insurance, 3 very little if any jump. BTW if he was doing 110 on his speedo he's very little to worry about as he would have been doing around 100 anyway.

Only one set of points (the highest) can be applied for offences which occur on the "same occassion" (you still pay both fines). The question is would this be considered the same occassion or not? The same occassion would for example be being stopped whilst on the phone or for speeding and also having no seat belt, but strictly speaking two seperate locations are two seperate occassions.

To note is speedos don't always over read, they can over read (up to 110% of actual speed plus 4 km/h), but don't have to, they just can't under read.

Whatadope · 02-01-2018 4:36pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I remember something about points and only one set being applied. Can't remember in exactly what thread. 6 points would be a jump in insurance, 3 very little if any jump. BTW if he was doing 110 on his speedo he's very little to worry about as he would have been doing around 100 anyway.

I downloaded a app called 69 measuring speed I did 100 km on my car and in the app it said I was doing 97km

Samuel T. Cogley · 02-01-2018 6:19pm

Whatadope wrote: »

I downloaded a app called 69 measuring speed I did 100 km on my car and in the app it said I was doing 97km

Phone in hand? :pac:

Ultimate Seduction · 02-01-2018 6:22pm

"friend" haha

Dakota Dan · 02-01-2018 6:29pm

Whatadope wrote: »

I wonder if he gets 6 pently points how much does insurance go up ?

I'm sure that you can only be caught for speeding once in any day. When the speed and first came out my neighbour got caught 4 times in one day in the local town but was only fined once.

Seth Brundle · 02-01-2018 8:18pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

I'm sure that you can only be caught for speeding once in any day. When the speed and first came out my neighbour got caught 4 times in one day in the local town but was only fined once.

This is pure nonsense!

Whatadope · 02-01-2018 8:19pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Phone in hand? :pac:

No I have phone holder

Whatadope · 02-01-2018 8:28pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

I'm sure that you can only be caught for speeding once in any day. When the speed and first came out my neighbour got caught 4 times in one day in the local town but was only fined once.

I don't think so well he will find out soon enough how long does it take to come out it happened on 28th Dec ?

Dakota Dan · 03-01-2018 10:25am

kbannon wrote: »

This is pure nonsense!

Really, it's the case in the UK and going by my neighbour it's the same here.

https://www.richardsilver.co.uk/news/caught-speeding-twice-or-more-on-the-same-journey-how-many-penalty-points-will-you-get/

Whatadope · 03-01-2018 10:57am

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Really, it's the case in the UK and going by my neighbour it's the same here.

https://www.richardsilver.co.uk/news/caught-speeding-twice-or-more-on-the-same-journey-how-many-penalty-points-will-you-get/

Could be wrong if you went court and judge went against you they might give you more points

runawaybishop · 03-01-2018 11:44am

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Really, it's the case in the UK and going by my neighbour it's the same here.

https://www.richardsilver.co.uk/news/caught-speeding-twice-or-more-on-the-same-journey-how-many-penalty-points-will-you-get/

That's not what the article says - it refers specifically to multiple offenses on the same journey. You can easily be done for speeding more than once on the same day.

Dakota Dan · 03-01-2018 12:55pm

runawaybishop wrote: »

That's not what the article says - it refers specifically to multiple offenses on the same journey. You can easily be done for speeding more than once on the same day.

Wasn't the op's friend on the same journey 200 yards apart? Also my neighbour passed the speed van several times on the same day. How do you define a journey?

Grassey · 03-01-2018 2:38pm

Hardly 200 yards, by my reading of OP. He got done about 4km into a 100 zone (after it changed to 3 lane 100k at junction 9) at the topaz after junction 8, then the second van was a further 1.5k up the road at junction 7 slip road.

GM228 · 03-01-2018 3:35pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Really, it's the case in the UK and going by my neighbour it's the same here.

https://www.richardsilver.co.uk/news/caught-speeding-twice-or-more-on-the-same-journey-how-many-penalty-points-will-you-get/

The situation in the UK is the more or less the same as here, you are liable for each and every penalty and/or each separate conviction here (in the UK there is a difference between simply paying a penalty and conviction in relation to the amount of points you receive), but you only receive the highest set of points for any offence committed on the same occasion. It is the "what is the same occasion" question which the court would have discretion on, not the ability just to impose one set of points like the article suggests. The limitation to one set of points is set in statute in the UK since 1991 and a judge does not have any discretion on this with relation to what are known as "obligatory endorsements", which speeding penalty points are.

Whatadope wrote: »

Could be wrong if you went court and judge went against you they might give you more points

Only one set (the highest) of points can be added for each offence which happens on the same occasion. Judges have no discretion in this in either country.

Seth Brundle · 03-01-2018 6:30pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

Really, it's the case in the UK and going by my neighbour it's the same here.

What has the UK got to do with irish legislation and enforcement?

Dakota Dan · 03-01-2018 10:33pm

kbannon wrote: »

What has the UK got to do with irish legislation and enforcement?

No need to get your knickers in a twist over it, like I said my neighbour got off with penalty points for one offence so I used that as an example and said it could be the same here.

Fred Swanson · 04-01-2018 8:41pm

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GM228 · 08-01-2018 2:21am

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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The situation in the UK is that a judge has discretion in relation to disqualification in certain circumstances rather than specifically applying points or not, for example if someone has 9 points and is convicted of a 3 point offence they would ordinarily be banned for receiving the 12 points, however if on that occasion the judge orders "no disqualification" they receive 2 points bringing them to 11 instead of the normal 3.

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