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The Unabomber
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16-12-2017 8:08pm#1
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uses internet to promote the idea that technology is bad.
irony at its finest.
don't like tech, sell your house, buy a tent and off ya go buddy. but don't be sending bombs to innocent people.
I'm not saying that all tech is bad, nor am I advocating that we all go off to live in the bushes. I do think though that it's no harm to have a discussion about it, in some ways I think that hunter gatherers had simpler lives, with technology and comfort also comes complexity and pressure and distress. Hunter gatherers have/had stress too, survival stress and pressures and fear of violence, but that was their main focus, they knew what they needed to do when they got up in the morning, they didn't have any options or time to hum and haw about it. There was no time for an existential crisis. Now I couldn't live like that, I have an illness that means I'd be dead without modern medicine, I don't like to spend much time outside or off the couch even (though maybe that shows a degeneration of modern society in itself), so I'm not saying that the modern world is evil, I just think it's interesting to think about it.
I'm basically this:
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The_Boy_Who Would Be King wrote: »I very much agree with his thoughts on liberalism.
From the one paragraph of his manifesto ive read, im starting to like the guy, he didnt have much love the lefties...
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Roger Hassenforder wrote: »From the one paragraph of his manifesto ive read, im starting to like the guy, he didnt have much love the lefties...
Or postal workers.0 -
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LadyMacBeth_ wrote: »I understand that too, I'm actually very heavily reliant on boards and technology in general, especially because I'm often ill and can't do much else. I still think that it's probably unhealthy that I don't spend much time outdoors and I don't enjoy it, I know humans are an advanced species when it comes to intellect but we seem to have developed a society that is totally alien to how our ancestors lived and I wonder how healthy/unhealthy that is. Well, I think maybe there are advantages and disadvantages.
Was recently reading Sapiens by Yuval Harari and if one believes his outline of things our ancestors had it reasonably good at the hunter-gatherer stage when we pretty much organised ourselves according to our likes in small, supportive clans, but even by the time we became agriculturalists our lives were changing for the worst. We became chained to back-breaking work in the fields, hauling water, weeding, harvesting, subject to more diseases and wars, eventually paying onerous levies no mater what corner we lived in to the controllers of emerging and often brutal empires - never quite catching up with our tails as the population increased and, consequently, food demands grew, etc.
The industrial revolution resulted in another new kind of unnatural enslavement of the lives of most people. It's a long time since the bulk of our species has had what one could call healthy lives.
Yes, we are enslaved now, and in many ways, most people chained for example to the kind of jobs and daily timetables that are not natural for the human body and psyche, and we are enslaved via technology. But it is nothing that new.
When people talk about how tech has atomised society I feel that there are a lot of even more fundamental things that do so - leaving infants and children in creches from dawn to dusk would be a bugbear of mine, but the modern lifestyle and economic models neccessitates both parents working, it seems. Tech cannot be made the solitary scapegoat for underlying cultural and political madness. And I do believe we are largely mad. Though better off in many ways than at earlier epochs.
Was just talking at home about it, hubby saying how many kids and teens are always on their tech, but I reckoned it's not as if we as societies ever really thought about and provided good, healthy occupations for our youngsters - drinking cider, smoking fags and having spitting contests down the canal walk has been replaced by social media to some extent, neither awesome by any means. There was no prior Utopia.
I think we as individuals can make better choices, rather than look to the mass culture to change to enable us to be more wholesome. Plus I also genuinely think that everything turns in circles, technology will hold waning interest eventually for a lot of people, will begin to have a more appropriate level of presence in their lives. People will go back walking, gardening, writing, painting, performing, and so on, because satiation with tech will naturally reach a climax. I think it has a potentially cool and useful place in our lives - I am involved in creative digital media and I love the possibilities of tech, the creativity, the communication, the sharing, the info-tainment, etc - just we will learn to accommodate it with more balance. More time in the woods and by the sea! Yay!
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Was recently reading Sapiens by Yuval Harari and if one believes his outline of things our ancestors had it reasonably good at the hunter-gatherer stage when we pretty much organised ourselves according to our likes in small, supportive clans, but even by the time we became agriculturalists our lives were changing for the worst. We became chained to back-breaking work in the fields, hauling water, weeding, harvesting, subject to more diseases and wars, eventually paying onerous levies no mater what corner we lived in to the controllers of emerging and often brutal empires - never quite catching up with our tails as the population increased and, consequently, food demands grew, etc.
The industrial revolution resulted in another new kind of unnatural enslavement of the lives of most people. It's a long time since the bulk of our species has had what one could call healthy lives.
Yes, we are enslaved now, and in many ways, most people chained for example to the kind of jobs and daily timetables that are not natural for the human body and psyche, and we are enslaved via technology. But it is nothing that new.
When people talk about how tech has atomised society I feel that there are a lot of even more fundamental things that do so - leaving infants and children in creches from dawn to dusk would be a bugbear of mine, but the modern lifestyle and economic models neccessitates both parents working, it seems. Tech cannot be made the solitary scapegoat for underlying cultural and political madness. And I do believe we are largely mad. Though better off in many ways than at earlier epochs.
Was just talking at home about it, hubby saying how many kids and teens are always on their tech, but I reckoned it's not as if we as societies ever really thought about and provided good, healthy occupations for our youngsters - drinking cider, smoking fags and having spitting contests down the canal walk has been replaced by social media to some extent, neither awesome by any means. There was no prior Utopia.
I think we as individuals can make better choices, rather than look to the mass culture to change to enable us to be more wholesome. Plus I also genuinely think that everything turns in circles, technology will hold waning interest eventually for a lot of people, will begin to have a more appropriate level of presence in their lives. People will go back walking, gardening, writing, painting, performing, and so on, because satiation with tech will naturally reach a climax. I think it has a potentially cool and useful place in our lives - I am involved in creative digital media and I love the possibilities of tech, the creativity, the communication, the sharing, the info-tainment, etc - just we will learn to accommodate it with more balance. More time in the woods and by the sea! Yay!
Your ideas intreague me and I would like to subscribe to your literature...I regularly find myself in a weird position where I'm too tired in the evenings to do anything creative but conversely when I get off the couch and work on a model for example I find I unwind better than brainfarting on the TV. Path of least resistance and all that.0 -
Fuzzytrooper wrote: »Your ideas intreague me and I would like to subscribe to your literature...I regularly find myself in a weird position where I'm too tired in the evenings to do anything creative but conversely when I get off the couch and work on a model for example I find I unwind better than brainfarting on the TV. Path of least resistance and all that. Kind of you, the literature I was mentioning was Yuval Harari's book and there are various other ones in the ilk. One of the great things about tech (I find) is the PDFs on so many varied subjects I can download to my Kindle, which can be so stimulating, ideas wise.
It is true what you say, the unwinding that happens outside of technology is far more effective. Even hours spent wrestling with the garden / jungle tire one and use up stress in a way that feels so much more satsifying and effective than watching netflix on the couch (which I also love, believe me!!)0 -
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