Driver's licence with Irish name

daveyr

I went in to get my Learners permit using my Irish name and after photo and getting my signature taken, the person went off and came back saying I had to use my English name because I had no photo ID in my Irish name (I'm 17, all I have is my passport in English). So now I have my Learners Permit with my English Full name including middle name which I never use and my Irish name signed on the bottom.
Anyone know what I should do?
Thanks.

colm_mcm

Is the only issue that your signature doesn't match your name in English?

daveyr

Yeah, I wanted to have it in Irish too if possible.

colm_mcm

Possibly silly question, but why is your passport not in Irish then?

daveyr

colm_mcm wrote: »

Possibly silly question, but why is your passport not in Irish then?

I'm under 18 so can't change my name by deed poll yet, I was registered with my English name by my parents but use my Irish name now mostly

biko

Why is title driver's licence when you are asking about a learner's permit?

Anyhoo, I suggest you wait until you can change your name proper and then rectify the licence, once you have it.

When you apply for a driving licence or learner permit it is issued in the name and address you supplied at that time. If you subsequently change your name or address, it is possible to exchange your current licence or permit for an updated one.

You have to supply documentary evidence of the change. Your new licence or permit will have the same expiry date as your original licence or permit.

MascotDec85

biko wrote: »

Why is title driver's licence when you are asking about a learner's permit?

Anyhoo, I suggest you wait until you can change your name proper and then rectify the licence, once you have it.

When you apply for a driving licence or learner permit it is issued in the name and address you supplied at that time. If you subsequently change your name or address, it is possible to exchange your current licence or permit for an updated one.

You have to supply documentary evidence of the change. Your new licence or permit will have the same expiry date as your original licence or permit.

I’d imagine because not everyone is aware that there’s a difference between a permit and a licence. Numerous pupils of mine refer to their permit as a licence.

cantdecide

You can change your name using proof of usage. Iirc, you need two documents in that name, one must be over two years old and one must contain your PPS number.

For example, someone could submit a Revenue or SW letter that's over 2 years old (with the PPSN and name in Irish) and also submit a recent bill (in the Irish name spelling).

The good news is that you can change your personal details at any time for free.

MascotDec85 wrote: »

I’d imagine because not everyone is aware that there’s a difference between a permit and a licence. Numerous pupils of mine refer to their permit as a licence.

What kills me is when noobs refer to a permit as a 'provisional'. We haven't had those for about a decade

Wishbone Ash

colm_mcm wrote: »

Is the only issue that your signature doesn't match your name in English?

A signature doesn't have to 'match' a name or anything else. It's a distinct sign that you make. No one could make my name out of my signature.

s7ryf3925pivug

You're legally entitled to use the Irish form of your name. You don't need a deed poll. This is just beareaucratic little ****s not doing their job properly. Contact the comisinear teanga.

tuisginideach

I'm sure the Coimisinéir Teanga will agree that he is legally entitled to use his Irish name but will also agree that he must have proof of identity in that form. The people in the office are doing their job and do not deserve/need to be insulted as above.

Hana98

My birth cert is in English. Legally my name is in English but everything else in Irish. My parents had my passport in Irish. Maybe this helps? Don't know how they did it though.

s7ryf3925pivug

tuisginideach wrote: »

I'm sure the Coimisinéir Teanga will agree that he is legally entitled to use his Irish name but will also agree that he must have proof of identity in that form. The people in the office are doing their job and do not deserve/need to be insulted as above.

Proof of usage only, so letters addressed as such are fine, dont need an Id featuring the Irish name.

They're not doing their job, they're wasting people's time and demanding things they have no right to demand

1hnr79jr65

I had similar experience with how i prefer to be adressed comparred to details on passport or birth cert.

The folks in driving lisence centers are only following rules laid out for them to not provide permits/lisences that could have fraudulant details on them which is a wise precaution.

To get your Irish name on the permit/lisence you need to get your birth cert or passport updated and present that as evidence. It is easier to get passport updated as they will take either the irish or english version of your name even if the birth cert has your name in english. The downside is the cost to replace the passport.

Other than that you could get your parents to lodge a deed poll for you and i think the cost is around €30 to do that.

1hnr79jr65

Elaine Straight Tearful wrote: »

Proof of usage only, so letters addressed as such are fine, dont need an Id featuring the Irish name.

They're not doing their job, they're wasting people's time and demanding things they have no right to demand

This is incorrect and the folks in the centers will tell you only passport or birth cert being updated is acceptable as i have been through this myself recently.

Letters or bills do not constitute proper identity as they are not state controlled documents and there could be fraud is name usage from say using a gas or esb bill.

s7ryf3925pivug

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

This is incorrect and the folks in the centers will tell you only passport or birth cert being updated is acceptable as i have been through this myself recently.

Letters or bills do not constitute proper identity as they are not state controlled documents and there could be fraud is name usage from say using a gas or esb bill.

Passport requires proof of six months usage only, and no id in irish. It states this on the official website. Nonetheless some staff will illegally demand ids in irish.

It cannot be fraud since it is the same name, just a different language. If it is policy for drivers licences, then I suspect the policy is illegal, which is all the more reason to contact the comisinear. One way or another it is nonsensical beauracracy.

cantdecide

Sour Lemonz wrote: »

This is incorrect and the folks in the centers will tell you only passport or birth cert being updated is acceptable as i have been through this myself recently.

Letters or bills do not constitute proper identity as they are not state controlled documents and there could be fraud is name usage from say using a gas or esb bill.

You're not strictly wrong in a legal sense but to say that just flat out incorrect here. A bill in the chosen variation of your name supplementing a document in the same name that has your PPS number is a valid way of amending your name for the NDLS. The call it 'use and repute' or 'proof of usage'.


From Citizens Information:

Change of name using the Irish version of name: You must submit 2 pieces of evidence of usage of the new name, for example, a utility bill, correspondence with a government body or a payslip.

You can take if from the "correspondence with a government body or a payslip" that they are referring to a document with a PPS number written on, even by hand, will do. I have a lot of knowledge about the process.