RTE's continued lack of promotion of horse racing

Claregaafan18

Today was the confirmation of the nominees for the RTE Young Sportsperson of the year, to be announced on this Saturday for Under-18 or who are 18. Incredibly after a another brilliant year for Jack Kennedy who will be 19 in April of next year he didn't get nominated. Bizarre and Bewildering were some of the words that came into my head as soon as I saw that his name was not on that list.

To me RTE's coverage of horse racing over the last 3 to 4 years is quite simply disgraceful. The late Colm Murray and Jonathan Mullin were excellent when they were part of the RTE sports team and when they were on the tv, horse racing was getting the promotion it deserved. We are the world leader in this sport remember that. However when Mullin left RTE to become editor of the Irish Racing Post and after Murray's sad and untimely passing, things then took a nose dive in terms of Rte's promoting the greatness of the sport of kings. They don't give a round up of the results of the day which was the norm when Colm Murray was there. They only give a 30 second (at most) round-up of the "big race of the day".

Now they don't recognize the achievements of Aidan O'Brien who was not part of the nominees for Sportsperson of the year. It is very disappointing that RTE continue to turn a blind eye on the promotion of horse racing. That is an opinion that is shared among the racing community.

Finally you only had to look at RTE's coverage of the Cheltenham Festival (when they had it) to prove that horse racing is not a priority for Ryle Nugent and the powers that be in the RTE sports department in Donnybrook.

Richmond Ultra

The current person who would have helped out hugely with the racing is away on a legal issue. It might have a bearing on it in the past few weeks.

Gavin "shels"

It's a joke tbh, one of the country's most notable sports and feck all air time given whatsoever by the country's national broadcaster aside from a few major meetings.

ANDREWMUFC

How the hell AOB wasn’t nominated for SPOTY is bewildering

longshotvalue

ANDREWMUFC wrote: »

How the hell AOB wasn’t nominated for SPOTY is bewildering

It's disgraceful and totally unbelievable that he doesn't win it hard held , let alone be nominated . I mean we lead a world wide industry and have the 2 best operations here . F**k sake

W******s the the only word for it .

The Mig

https://www.buzz.ie/sport/off-the-beaten-track-behind-the-scenes-at-rte-racing-222483?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=article&utm_medium=web

A certain racing editor has more pressing issues...

RTE just don't have the money anymore. They've lost the 6 nations to TV3 so it's not just Horse Racing they're losing out on!

hawaii501

Isn't Robbie Power entered in this for winning the Gold Cup(s) and Irish Grand National?

Although I do agree regarding Aidan O'Brien, bewildering that he isn't nominated considering the record he broke this year.

Treepole

hawaii501 wrote: »

Isn't Robbie Power entered in this for winning the Gold Cup(s) and Irish Grand National?

Although I do agree regarding Aidan O'Brien, bewildering that he isn't nominated considering the record he broke this year.

Horse Trainers are always nominated under the Manager of The Year category. That isn't a public vote so they probably haven't released the nominations.

Claregaafan18

Treepole wrote: »

Horse Trainers are always nominated under the Manager of The Year category. That isn't a public vote so they probably haven't released the nominations.

Aidan O'Brien and Jessica Harrington have both been nominated for RTE Sports Manager of the year. However the public will not be given the opportunity to vote for their choice. The national broadcaster's sports department editorial staff will chose the winner. Very undemocratic process me thinks.

If RTE are so wary (same procedure applies for young sportsperson of the year where public are not allowed to vote, executives of RTE sport get to choose) then why just get either a selection of sports journalists to make the choice or athletes that have no allegiance to any of the candidates. I think the public will not accept an internal decision making process decided by editors or executives of RTE Sport. What do other posters think? I would certainly find more comfort if an independent panel were appointed to ensure decisions like this is made rather than at a lunch break in the RTE Sports Department by employees of the broadcaster.

Treepole

Claregaafan18 wrote: »

Aidan O'Brien and Jessica Harrington have both been nominated for RTE Sports Manager of the year. However the public will not be given the opportunity to vote for their choice. The national broadcaster's sports department editorial staff will chose the winner. Very undemocratic process me thinks.

If RTE are so wary (same procedure applies for young sportsperson of the year where public are not allowed to vote, executives of RTE sport get to choose) then why just get either a selection of sports journalists to make the choice or athletes that have no allegiance to any of the candidates. I think the public will not accept an internal decision making process decided by editors or executives of RTE Sport. What do other posters think? I would certainly find more comfort if an independent panel were appointed to ensure decisions like this is made rather than at a lunch break in the RTE Sports Department by employees of the broadcaster.

It's an annual sports award FFS.

famagusta

The Mig wrote:

A certain racing editor has more pressing issues...

What is that all about?? Heard them on about it on The Final Furlong, didn't know what they were on about?

WickIow Brave

famagusta wrote: »

What is that all about?? Heard them on about it on The Final Furlong, didn't know what they were on about?

Producer caught grooming young girls online.

BumperD

famagusta wrote: »

What is that all about?? Heard them on about it on The Final Furlong, didn't know what they were on about?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/rté-producer-charged-with-grooming-girl-for-sexual-activity-1.3298462

Claregaafan18

RTE Racing will have a new presenter for their coverage for the Leopardstown Christmas Festival and for 2018 also, with Hugh Cahill taking over from Robert Hall who is recovering from illness.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/2017/1214/927355-cahill-excited-to-front-rte-racing-from-leopardstown/

danganabu

Claregaafan18 wrote: »

RTE Racing will have a new presenter for their coverage for the Leopardstown Christmas Festival and for 2018 also, with Hugh Cahill taking over from Robert Hall who is recovering from illness.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/racing/2017/1214/927355-cahill-excited-to-front-rte-racing-from-leopardstown/

Probaly no harm, there is only so much of the Ted Walsh/Robert Hall 'humour' I can take. Time for a change anyway.

klairondavis

Up until about ten years ago RTE used to have live coverage of Hattons Grace day at Fairyhouse and the Thyestes at Gowran. There was always live racing back in the Sports Stadium days in the 80s and 90s. Much less terrestrial coverage these days which is a shame. ATR do a good job but have to cover other meetings across the water.

Andalucia

Hugh Cahill very good broadcaster across a range of sports, seems keen and interested in whatever he's chatting about, so puts in the study

now, if only they make sure to get rid of Tom Lee while they're at it

paddy no 11

Ruby on RTE for Christmas quelle surprise I know - he's odious worse than ITV even

the_pen_turner

As someone who has no interest in horse racing I have to disagree about the coverage.
Every time you turn on the news and there is a race on somewhere it is mentioned. They give all the results. Show. Parts of the races and show the people involved.
For the big race days they abandon all other programming and show non stop horse racing for days. They even send represent atives there to interview and film the goings on.

To say horse racing is under represent ed is laughable.
Look at .motor sport . F1 , moto gp , Wrc etc they get no airtime and don't even get a passing mention of the result on the news. There are plenty of fans to warrant it. But no

Gregk961

To say horse racing is under represent ed is laughable.
Look at .motor sport . F1 , moto gp , Wrc etc they get no airtime and don't even get a passing mention of the result on the news. There are plenty of fans to warrant it. But no

Well considering how equine sports are a huge part of Ireland and how we are leading the way in most aspects of horse racing its naturally going to get more coverage than F1 or any motor sport.

Ireland has no representation at the top levels of motor sports so its entitled to get little to no coverage in Irish media.

the_pen_turner

I have no problem with horse racing being on TV. That's fair enough. There are lots of things in TV I don't care for but other do

But this thread is proposing that horse racing is under represented .
In my opinion that is not true and that it is slightly over represented. I would say the same about gaa

My example of motorsports is that it is a fairly popular sport and it get no coverage at all.
I could list off 10 people that have went to f1 races. More for wrc and a few to moto go and isle of man tt . And I'm not in those circles of people who would list hundreds of people
I often have conversations with people about the sport so they must be interested.

the_pen_turner

Gregk961 wrote: »

To say horse racing is under represent ed is laughable.
Look at .motor sport . F1 , moto gp , Wrc etc they get no airtime and don't even get a passing mention of the result on the news. There are plenty of fans to warrant it. But no

Well considering how equine sports are a huge part of Ireland and how we are leading the way in most aspects of horse racing its naturally going to get more coverage than F1 or any motor sport.

Ireland has no representation at the top levels of motor sports so its entitled to get little to no coverage in Irish media.

Also there is a northern Irish guy in supermarket and an Irish guy in wrc

danganabu

Thread just got very :D:D

the_pen_turner

danganabu wrote: »

Thread just got very :D:D

Ooops stupid auto correct on my phone.
Should say supper bikes

Gavin "shels"

So there's one Irish guy per each sport....

As mentioned, Ireland is at the forefront of equine in the WORLD.... It's a huge sports industry in this country and has huge attending figures and viewing figures. Hardly comparable to WRC. Remember, it would have to be viable to have such stuff on TV/News which clearly it doesn't.

the_pen_turner

My point is that these sports don't even get 15 seconds to announce who won.
Remember these are the top of their sports.
Even the lower levels of horse racing gets minutes on the news. The grand national and all that event gets days on national TV

Claregaafan18

Great to see Robert Hall back on RTE racing. I thought Hugh Cahill was taking over the reins for all of 2018 though?

diomed

But there are 22,000 mares at stud in Ireland and Great Britain.
There are tens of thousands of horses racing.
That is a large number of people interested in horse racing.

There is not one Irish Formula 1 car or driver afaik.
And one or two English Formula 1 drivers, Lewis Hamilton, Jolyon Palmer (who?)

the_pen_turner

diomed wrote: »

But there are 22,000 mares at stud in Ireland and Great Britain.
There are tens of thousands of horses racing.
That is a large number of people interested in horse racing.

There is not one Irish Formula 1 car or driver afaik.
And one or two English Formula 1 drivers, Lewis Hamilton, Jolyon Palmer (who?)

that's all very true but the op is claiming that horse racing in under represented.
I fail to see how. there are loads of days on rte dedicated to it. every new report is filled with it (behind soccer and gaa) .
rte even go to the races and broadcast from there
all local radio is filled with the results


I gave motorsport as an example because it has a fairly decent following across all types. but has no representation at all. it is almost never on the sports section of the news. you never hear who won a race that day or if anything interesting happened.


horse racing is far from under represented

the_pen_turner

I was thinking about this again today.

can you give any reasons why you think its under represented

danganabu

danganabu wrote: »

Probaly no harm, there is only so much of the Ted Walsh/Robert Hall 'humour' I can take. Time for a change anyway.

Ted wasn’t too impressed with Matt Chapman yesterday. Thought they’d come to blows!

diomed

the_pen_turner wrote: »

I was thinking about this again today.
can you give any reasons why you think its under represented

I'll go again.

The case for horseracing coverage.
Tens of thousands of racehorses in Ireland, a large horse breeding and training industry, thousands of horse races, trainers, jockeys, stud farms, spectators who go racing in Ireland and England.
I have been racing in Ireland, England, USA, Australia.
I own a racehorse.

The case for Formula 1 coverage
No Formula 1 racing in Ireland. No Irish Formula 1 drivers. No Irish Formula 1 manufacturers. No Formula 1 racetracks.
The fans do not have a financial interest in Formula 1 as owners or punters.
My guess is most motor racing fans have not been off their couch, do not spend money on Formula 1, do not bet on Formula 1, do not contribute to Formula 1 facilities.

the_pen_turner

diomed wrote: »

the_pen_turner wrote: »

I was thinking about this again today.
can you give any reasons why you think its under represented

I'll go again.

The case for horseracing coverage.
Tens of thousands of racehorses in Ireland, a large horse breeding and training industry, thousands of horse races, trainers, jockeys, stud farms, spectators who go racing in Ireland and England.
I have been racing in Ireland, England, USA, Australia.
I own a racehorse.

The case for Formula 1 coverage
No Formula 1 racing in Ireland. No Irish Formula 1 drivers. No Irish Formula 1 manufacturers. No Formula 1 racetracks.
The fans do not have a financial interest in Formula 1 as owners or punters.
My guess is most motor racing fans have not been off their couch, do not spend money on Formula 1, do not bet on Formula 1, do not contribute to Formula 1 facilities.

You can believe that all you like. It doesn't answer the question. Why should we go from having loads of coverage to even more.


As for motor sport
We have no f1 but do have wrc.
I can list loads of people that have went to f 1 and wrc moto gp etc.
Fans spend thousands to go the motor sport event s . You can go to go se racing for less than 100 and on the spur of the moment.

danganabu

You really should know better Diomed

diomed

Than to argue ...

the_pen_turner

diomed wrote: »

Than to argue ...

or to go off topic and not answer the question asked

diomed

the_pen_turner wrote: »

or to go off topic and not answer the question asked

Are you talking about post #19 in the thread?
In that post there is no question, or a sentence ending in a question mark.
You say there are plenty of fans to justify more coverage of motorsport.

Give statistics of the numbers of people interested in all sports.
My guess is Gaelic football, hurling, soccer, rugby, horseracing, golf, snooker, cycling, athletics, boxing would have more interest than motorsport.

You have not made any case for motorsport, just gave an opinion without statistcs.

the_pen_turner

the_pen_turner wrote: »

I was thinking about this again today.

can you give any reasons why you think its under represented

I'm sorry I left out the question mark.


this thread isn't about me looking for more airtime for motorsport. I'm using it as an example where a sport get no representation at all but has a good following in this country

I'm not saying that motorsport has more following than horse racing but I think it is a lot closer than you think.

here is the question

Why do you think that horse racing with all the TV time it gets should get more TV time?

diomed

I have no opinion on the amount of TV time each sport gets.
Advertisers pay for TV advertising.
TV stations will put on what they believe are the most popular sports that will attract the biggest TV audiences, and the most advertising money.
Minority sports will not attract a big TV audience, and as a result little advertising money, and the TV station will suffer a loss of revenue.

Other considerations for a TV station are how much they have to pay for the TV rights to broadcast the sport, or the cost of sending out their own crews and cameras.

Netball, croquet, lacrosse, kabbadi, gymnastics are probably very interesting to some.

This discussion reminds me a little of a chat I had with a photographer who was submitting a photograph to a competition and asked my opinion on a number of images.
One image was to my mind much better than the rest.
He argued that it was "too chocolate box" i.e. it was an image that would appeal to too many people and was not arty enough, not a minority taste.
Reluctantly he submitted it. It was accepted. I saw it many times on TV.

It is the same with sports. The popular sports get the air time.
Sport, and television, are businesses.

the_pen_turner

diomed wrote: »

I have no opinion on the amount of TV time each sport gets.
Advertisers pay for TV advertising.
TV stations will put on what they believe are the most popular sports that will attract the biggest TV audiences, and the most advertising money.
Minority sports will not attract a big TV audience, and as a result little advertising money, and the TV station will suffer a loss of revenue.

Other considerations for a TV station are how much they have to pay for the TV rights to broadcast the sport, or the cost of sending out their own crews and cameras.

Netball, croquet, lacrosse, kabbadi, gymnastics are probably very interesting to some.

This discussion reminds me a little of a chat I had with a photographer who was submitting a photograph to a competition and asked my opinion on a number of images.
One image was to my mind much better than the rest.
He argued that it was "too chocolate box" i.e. it was an image that would appeal to too many people and was not arty enough, not a minority taste.
Reluctantly he submitted it. It was accepted. I saw it many times on TV.

It is the same with sports. The popular sports get the air time.
Sport, and television, are businesses.

I agree with that. but it doesn't answer the question.

diomed

the_pen_turner wrote: »

I agree with that. but it doesn't answer the question.

It would help if you read my reply.

I said: "I have no opinion on the amount of TV time each sport gets."
You say: "it doesn't answer the question"

I prefer international soccer, golf, flat horseracing, and would like to see more.
The TV companies judge what to broadcast, and that I think is based on popularity.

If your question is why is there more television coverage of horseracing than there if television coverage of motor racing you can either
1) accept that more people like horseracing
2) contact the television company and ask them

It is a bit tricky guessing what is the question you are asking.

the_pen_turner

diomed wrote: »

It would help if you read my reply.
iv read it

I said: "I have no opinion on the amount of TV time each sport gets."
You say: "it doesn't answer the question"
why are you going on about it then
I prefer international soccer, golf, flat horseracing, and would like to see more.
The TV companies judge what to broadcast, and that I think is based on popularity.does that not also explain why horse racing isn't one more aswell. because the tv head people don't see enough demand for it

If your question is why is there more television coverage of horseracing than there if television coverage of motor racing you can either
1) accept that more people like horseracing
2) contact the television company and ask them
all I'm saying is motorsport get no representation but has loads of fans.

It is a bit tricky guessing what is the question you are asking.its not like I'm writing down my question in black and white for all to read. my question has been the same all along and very obvious

......

diomed

"its not like I'm writing down my question in black and white for all to read. my question has been the same all along and very obvious"

If you are not asking a question, but are asking me to answer your question, then I give up.

the_pen_turner

the_pen_turner wrote: »

Why do you think that horse racing with all the TV time it gets should get more TV time?

as iv said several times already

the_pen_turner

diomed wrote: »

If you are not asking a question, but are asking me to answer your question, then I give up.

really

diomed

post #44
Why do you think that horse racing with all the TV time it gets should get more TV time?

I was playing poker online so couldn't get back to you.

Why are you asking me defend a comment made by someone else (the OP) that racing should have more TV time?
I didn't say that, but I did comment that imo there is a lack of interest in motorsports in Ireland, and that if it isn't on TV it is because the networks do not have a demand for it.
TV stations are a business. If advertisers think a sport is popular it will be on TV.

the_pen_turner

diomed wrote: »

I was playing poker online so couldn't get back to you.

Why are you asking me defend a comment made by someone else (the OP) that racing should have more TV time?
I didn't say that, but I did comment that imo there is a lack of interest in motorsports in Ireland, and that if it isn't on TV it is because the networks do not have a demand for it.
TV stations are a business. If advertisers think a sport is popular it will be on TV.

because this is what the thread is about .

Francie Barrett

diomed wrote: »

TV stations are a business. If advertisers think a sport is popular it will be on TV.

RTalso has a public service obligation that goes beyond profit. As you have already argued, horse racing in Ireland is important to our culture, important as a sport, and important to business. In my opinion, any race meeting in Ireland that features a group 1 race should be covered in some shape or form.

the_pen_turner

Francie Barrett wrote: »

RTalso has a public service obligation that goes beyond profit. As you have already argued, horse racing in Ireland is important to our culture, important as a sport, and important to business. In my opinion, any race meeting in Ireland that features a group 1 race should be covered in some shape or form.

I don't agree but it is a point well made.

Gavin "shels"

Francie Barrett wrote: »

RTalso has a public service obligation that goes beyond profit. As you have already argued, horse racing in Ireland is important to our culture, important as a sport, and important to business. In my opinion, any race meeting in Ireland that features a group 1 race should be covered in some shape or form.

100%. Be interesting to see the viewing figures for the Dublin Racing Festival.