Should I get a mechanic to check a second hand car from a dealer under warranty?

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

As the headline suggests, should I get my mechanic to check a second hand car I'm interested in getting from a SIMI registered dealer under warranty?

I've already checked the paperwork and background checks, everything seems legit.

If it was a private sale I would insist on it of course.

I've never actually bought from a garage before so I'm new to this.
All and any advice welcome.

Bif

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

As the headline suggests, should I get my mechanic to check a second hand car I'm interested in getting from a SIMI registered dealer under warranty?

I've already checked the paperwork and background checks, everything seems legit.

If it was a private sale I would insist on it of course.

I've never actually bought from a garage before so I'm new to this.
All and any advice welcome.

Yes

scudzilla

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

As the headline suggests, should I get my mechanic to check a second hand car I'm interested in getting from a SIMI registered dealer under warranty?

I've already checked the paperwork and background checks, everything seems legit.

If it was a private sale I would insist on it of course.

I've never actually bought from a garage before so I'm new to this.
All and any advice welcome.

Yep, for sure, took a mechanic with me to get ours, he noticed timing belt would need replacing soon, told this to the dealer, knocked 300quid off the price just for this.

Just remember a mechanic may not be able to spot EVERYTHING that could potentially happen within a few months, maybe if you went with one of the bigger firms (AA) you'd have some sort of recompense if things went wrong

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

scudzilla wrote: »

Yep, for sure, took a mechanic with me to get ours, he noticed timing belt would need replacing soon, told this to the dealer, knocked 300quid off the price just for this.

Just remember a mechanic may not be able to spot EVERYTHING that could potentially happen within a few months, maybe if you went with one of the bigger firms (AA) you'd have some sort of recompense if things went wrong

Thanks for the advice. Did your mechanic do a full inspection like putting the car up on the car lift to look underneath, or was it more of a look around the engine and looking for tell tale signs of wear and tear?

Edit: The AA used to do a 100 point inspection with an independent travelling mechanic, but I checked their website and it says they no longer offer this service

https://www.theaa.ie/aa/vehicle-checks/car-inspection.aspx

Toyotafanboi

It depends very much on the car itself and the "SIMI dealer" in question.

If you are looking at a 2-3 year old car for sale at a franchised main dealer, I personally won't think there's a lot of need for a pre purchase independent inspection.

If you're looking at a 5-6 year old car at a non franchise dealer then I'd certainly consider a pre purchase inspection if you aren't too car savvy.

What car and kind of dealership are we talking about here? Post a link to the ad if you want.

colm_mcm

Link to the Ad?

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Here's the ad in question:

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volvo-s40-se-edition-full-franchise-dealer-servi/11459978

Toyotafanboi

Yeah, not saying a bad word about the dealer at all but a pre purchase inspection would certainly be no harm with a scenario like that.

On the face of things that car looks in good shape but I don't know a lot about Volvos.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Would the dealer arrange to transport the vehicle to a garage for inspection, or would I have to arrange this myself? I'm not sure how this is generally done.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

There's another one that caught my eye down in Limerick county, wouldn't have a clue how to go about organising a garage inspection there though.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2011-volvo-s40-1-6d-lux-finance-available/17428290

colm_mcm

Reviews are mixed on this dealer. Do a search on google.

Should be mentioned that the 1.6 diesel used in the Volvo (and so many other cars) has a bit of a reputation for issues too. That said, that's the 8 valve version of the engine so not as bad.

Toyotafanboi

I would highly doubt the dealer would bring the car to an inspection.

By and large people will bring their mechanic with them to view the car wherever it is for sale, or pay their mechanic to go at a pre arranged time/ day and view it on the forecourt and report back to them.

If your mechanic is local they may be ok with letting you bring the car to them if you leave a deposit etc but if you mechanic is in another town/ county I'd doubt they'd let you off in the car unless you left th value of the car with them as collateral.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I would highly doubt the dealer would bring the car to an inspection.

By and large people will bring their mechanic with them to view the car wherever it is for sale, or pay their mechanic to go at a pre arranged time/ day and view it on the forecourt and report back to them.

If your mechanic is local they may be ok with letting you bring the car to them if you leave a deposit etc but if you mechanic is in another town/ county I'd doubt they'd let you off in the car unless you left th value of the car with them as collateral.

My mechanic wouldn't really be local, but he has agreed to travel with me if required.
So would you say a thorough forecourt inspection (without getting the car up on a lift for underneath viewing) would be acceptable for the mechanic to get a good idea of what condition the car is worth?

Four Phucs Ache

That Limerick S40 was for sale elsewhere with missing trim and a tow hitch attached.

Also the inner arch lining on drivers front has been removed and replaced with standard silver screws. Should be black.

Front right arch is a bit off at the leading edge of the bonnet / headlight.

Deffo get a mechanic to look over a 6yo car if your not familiar with the signs.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Four Phucs Ache wrote: »

That Limerick S40 was for sale elsewhere with missing trim and a tow hitch attached.

Also the inner arch lining on drivers front has been removed and replaced with standard silver screws. Should be black.

Front right arch is a bit off at the leading edge of the bonnet / headlight.

Deffo get a mechanic to look over a 6yo car if your not familiar with the signs.

Good spot, I wouldn't have even noticed that. If it had a tow hitch I presume the car and engine has been under more wear and tear due to the increased demand of pulling a load?

Four Phucs Ache

It can and cannot.

Who is to say it was a father and son that had a small trailer for 2 scramblers or a small camping trailer? Very little extra work for a car with those small loads.

Given it was a 1.6 diesel it wouldn't have been a great choice for a caravan etc so it was probably a light load now and again but then again, who's to know.

The mismatch line at the headlight/ drivers arch along with the clearly reseated inner arch plastic hints at a possible crap day whatever happened.Then again it might have been a small bump against the driveway pillar etc... the lining was removed and the arch pulled back into place.

martyc5674

Four Phucs Ache wrote: »

Also the inner arch lining on drivers front has been removed and replaced with standard silver screws. Should be black.

Front right arch is a bit off at the leading edge of the bonnet / headlight.

Deffo get a mechanic to look over a 6yo car if your not familiar with the signs.

Would it have been off for timing belt change?? ... Yeah should have been put on a bit tidier but I’d be looking for more structural issues/misalignment than that.

On a side note the dash is meh on that!!(my opinion of course!!)

Four Phucs Ache

martyc5674 wrote: »

Would it have been off for timing belt change?? ... Yeah should have been put on a bit tidier but I’d be looking for more structural issues/misalignment than that.

On a side note the dash is meh on that!!(my opinion of course!!)

Yes, could have been off for access for maintenance but I figured my reply was going to ramble on and left it with
" who's to know" !!

I have a mk1 focus dash to look at so this one looks like a 7 star hotel in comparison!!!

clfy39tzve8njq

If you're buying an S40 get the 2 litre

Mintoe

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

Here's the ad in question:

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/volvo-s40-se-edition-full-franchise-dealer-servi/11459978

It’s been in a Dealers name for almost 2 years after the first owner in Ireland only had it for 8 months, bit of a possible red flag for me tbh...... it was uk import (uk history looks ok though)

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Mitchell Long Keystroke wrote: »

If you're buying an S40 get the 2 litre

What makes you say that? Are they considered more reliable?

Mintoe wrote: »

It’s been in a Dealers name for almost 2 years after the first owner in Ireland only had it for 8 months, bit of a possible red flag for me tbh...... it was uk import (uk history looks ok though)

Yeah that did give me reservations too I admit.

clfy39tzve8njq

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote:

What makes you say that? Are they considered more reliable?

Better engine and nicer drive in my opinion. Those 1.6 diesel engines are a nightmare. People will tell you if they're serviced on time and with the correct oil they're ok but I personally wouldn't buy any car that has one.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Mitchell Long Keystroke wrote: »

Better engine and nicer drive in my opinion. Those 1.6 diesel engines are a nightmare. People will tell you if they're serviced on time and with the correct oil they're ok but I personally wouldn't buy any car that has one.

Ok thanks for the input. I'll google that and see what I might be letting myself in for.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

I've done some research, and the 1.6 Diesel Volvo's from 2011 onwards used a new 8 valve engine, the DV6 B or D model. The older one were 16 valve DV6 TED4 engine, which caused a lot of trouble.

Both were variants of the psa DV6/Ford DLD-416 diesel engines.

Although the 2.0 diesel engine is preferable, the newer 2011 DV6 engines seem to be a big improvement. Does anyone here have experience, opinions, or advice on this matter?

Edit: Obviously the engines are still very dependent on regular services and using the correct oil, which is 5W30 fully synthetic I think. The log book would have to be inspected carefully. Apparently going 1 or 2k over the limit can cause problems, and oil should be changed every 10k.








.