How long have we got?

Pithythefool

.....until we run out of ideas for films and books? Like, 100% run out!

A lot of films can be remade given enough time, get a fresh audience etc, but how many times can that be done even?

Only a matter of time until harry potter gets remade (with some godforsaken "twist" like "Harriet Potter"......and again, and again. But there has to come a point, logically, where everyone just throws there hands up and admits its all been done.

Kind of strange to imagine it, but we're just about at the tipping point I'd say.

What do you think?

NOTE: The last Jedi better not be a remake of empire strikes back (and theres apparently another trilogy of star wars already given the go-ahead, yeesh!)

Don Kiddick

We just need a new Hitler and we have decades of war movies.... sorted!

MilesMorales1

How long is a piece of a string?

Tell me how

Limited only by our imagination. Given what screens/social media/apps are doing to that however, it may also be a finite resource.

P.S. The options in the Poll are ridiculous.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

What's the difference between

Between 5 and 10 years

and

5 to 10

and

less than 10 years but more than 5 years??

Worthwhile poll and unbiased setting.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

We've been recycling the same stories for years OP:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots

Avatar MIA

Reminds me of the genius in the patents office when he said about 100 years ago that anything that can be invented has been invented. :rolleyes::pac:

AndyBoBandy

Hopefully North Korea gets taken care of fairly soon, as that should be at least another 8/10 decent war movies if the whole thing gets drawn out..

Avatar MIA

Gabrielle Muscular Thresh wrote: »

What's the difference between

Between 5 and 10 years

and

5 to 10

and

less than 10 years but more than 5 years??

Worthwhile poll and unbiased setting.

What's the difference between a troll and an ogre that lives under a bridge?

Pithythefool

Don Kiddick wrote: »

We just need a new Hitler and we have decades of war movies.... sorted!

Don't forget the twist though, the new hitler has to be something fresh something new, something paradigm and innovative........

Lady Hitler!

Black Hitler!

Gay Hitler!

Zombie Hitler! (that ones be done though)

Probably the gist of every publisher/Hollywood studio meeting for the last 10 years.

Pithythefool

Avatar MIA wrote: »

What's the difference between a troll and an ogre that lives under a bridge?

One is a brilliant bastard that literally drips sex appeal and the other is you

Pithythefool

Gabrielle Muscular Thresh wrote: »

What's the difference between

Between 5 and 10 years

and

5 to 10

and

less than 10 years but more than 5 years??

Worthwhile poll and unbiased setting.

Statistical analysis, of course.

Avatar MIA

Pithythefool wrote: »

One is a brilliant bastard that litterally drips sex appeal and the other is you

You might want to get the doctor to look at that ! :pac:

Pithythefool

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

We've been recycling the same stories for years OP:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots

True enough, but even the easy options like "fairy tale.....but in space!", or "a western....but in space!" are running out of steam.

Suppose the only thing that could rejuvenate it all is a change in medium, like remaking everything for virtual reality headsets?

lazybones32

How long have we got?
We've got the world, tonight
Let's hold on together...
Etc

- the guy who pronounced "irish water safety" oddly

CalamariFritti

I'm struggling to find references now since its now my area but I believe in drama 'science' they teach that all stories have long been told before and long ago been categorised. What we think are new movies are all just repetitions of a story been told many times before already.

Pithythefool

Avatar MIA wrote: »

You might want to get the doctor to look at that ! :pac:

Already been, apparently my Sexus Propagandus nodules are hyperactive. Was prescribed a dose of Realitas Checkus pills, two a day.

Pithythefool

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I'm struggling to find references now since its now my area but I believe in drama 'science' they teach that all stories have long been told before and long ago been categorised. What we think are new movies are all just repetitions of a story been told many times before already.

Canterbury tales etc. Just the (re) dressing is wearing a bit thin at this point.

Your Face

Centuries. They still show all the Shakespeare films.

Arbitrary

Depends on if we get off this rock. Failing this, when the sun goes supernova.

Subcomandante Marcos

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

How long is a piece of a string?

This is the answer.

Jimbob1977

While Adam Sandler is still active.... never

Pithythefool

Arbitrary wrote: »

Depends on if we get off this rock. Failing this, when the sun goes supernova.

So, a remake of Fair City on mars?

"Ah jaysus, Charlo, would you not shut the windows, getting a terrible dose of the oul radiation. Oh me skin!"

Randle P. McMurphy

Pithythefool wrote: »

Don't forget the twist though, the new hitler has to be something fresh something new, something paradigm and innovative........

Lady Hitler!

Black Hitler!

Gay Hitler!

Zombie Hitler! (that ones be done though)

Probably the gist of every publisher/Hollywood studio meeting for the last 10 years.

It won't be long before they are making movies about the Orange Hitler. That presumes the world survives him.

Pithythefool

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

How long is a piece of a string?

One piece of string is exactly half the length of two pieces of string.

Or in laymans terms, 10 average sized thumbs laid back to back.

The_Valeyard

About three fiddy

One_Of_Shanks

Endless time.
Football is 22 men kicking a ball around a rectangular pitch. It's all been done before in terms of virtually everything that can be done but people will always keep watching even if what their about to witness is something thats been done before in a slightly different way.
There are also only so many musical notes, so many musical instruments but combined differently they produce endless different results.

Likewise, with ideas for books it's endless because it's people's imagination/opinion and so it will never stop, it's not a finite resource.

If anything with movies there will hopefully come a time when people say piss off to Hollywood and realise all the cool stuff that's out there that they haven't seen because it wasn't mainstream.

Pithythefool

One_Of_Shanks wrote: »

Endless time.
Football is 22 men kicking a ball around a rectangular pitch. It's all been done before in terms of virtually everything that can be done but people will always keep watching even if what their about to witness is something thats been done before in a slightly different way.
There are also only so many musical notes, so many musical instruments but combined differently they produce endless different results.

Likewise, with ideas for books it's endless because it's people's imagination/opinion and so it will never stop, it's not a finite resource.

If anything with movies there will hopefully come a time when people say piss off to Hollywood and realise all the cool stuff that's out there that they haven't seen because it wasn't mainstream.

But you don't know the result of a football match, and its live too. (unless we're playing!)

But how often have you seen a film and guessed every twist in a few minutes? Ah, just jaded with the predictability.

Capt'n Midnight

Pithythefool wrote: »

.....until we run out of ideas for films and books? Like, 100% run out!

Hollywood ran out of ideas for films a long time ago.

They are all reboots , remakes sequels, covers of foreign ones or adaptations of extremely successful works in other media.

In most cases the plot is based on the "save the cat" beat sheet.

Pithythefool

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Hollywood ran out of ideas for films a long time ago.

They are all reboots , remakes sequels, covers of foreign ones or adaptations of extremely successful works in other media.

In most cases the plot is based on the "save the cat" beat sheet.

Yeah pretty sick of the superhero films, saw a couple of them at the start, and now its just an eye-roller when the next one is blasted across media. Every one of them getting made, essentially, means that another NOT superhero film is not being made. Just from the Hollywood point of view.

I mean, isn't there like 5 spiderman films by now, and 3 different versions with 3 different actors all within the last 10 or so years? But the money they make each time....catch-22.

me_irl

The Hero With A Thousand Faces by Joseph Campbell.

Now there's a good book.

EndaHonesty

I'm gonna say...












4 years












or maybe 11 years...?

DivingDuck

Pithythefool wrote: »

Yeah pretty sick of the superhero films, saw a couple of them at the start, and now its just an eye-roller when the next one is blasted across media. Every one of them getting made, essentially, means that another NOT superhero film is not being made. Just from the Hollywood point of view.

By contrast, I really love superhero movies because they're formulaic. You know what to expect, and it's sort of comfort food for the eyes/soul. Some people want to be challenged by the media they consume, others just want to be comforted and entertained. Both positions are valid.

As for one film being made being the reason another isn't... The majority of people who like the challenging movies wouldn't be happy with Hollywood versions anyway since studio interference would substantially change the character, tone, and scope of them. They'd be nothing like the original vision because they'd have to be sanded down to appeal to a mass audience, just like the superhero movies.

One_Of_Shanks

Pithythefool wrote: »

But you don't know the result of a football match, and its live too. (unless we're playing!)

But how often have you seen a film and guessed every twist in a few minutes? Ah, just jaded with the predictability.

But the criticism there has to lie at the feet of the movie industry.

Because I've seen countless fantastic TV series in recent years.
Shows like Breaking Bad, Ozark, Sons of Anarchy, The Americans, Rectify, Peaky Blinders, I could list 60 or 70 brilliant series without much thought.
It has been a brilliant era for TV series.

I couldnt name many recent Hollywood movies I enjoyed though.

But that doesnt equate to a lack of ideas or creation.

Just means Hollywood needs a kick up the ass.

Pithythefool

DivingDuck wrote: »

By contrast, I really love superhero movies because they're formulaic. You know what to expect, and it's sort of comfort food for the eyes/soul. Some people want to be challenged by the media they consume, others just want to be comforted and entertained. Both positions are valid.

As for one film being made being the reason another isn't... The majority of people who like the challenging movies wouldn't be happy with Hollywood versions anyway since studio interference would substantially change the character, tone, and scope of them. They'd be nothing like the original vision because they'd have to be sanded down to appeal to a mass audience, just like the superhero movies.

Hold your horses there now! There are challenging films, and then there are multiple, multiple copies of the exact same thing.

Theres a happy medium in-between there somewhere. I don't understand how a person can get excited to see spiderman pop up in a Hulk movie wearing a captain America t-shirt while quoting Thor from another cross-over film.

"Did you see that?!!!!! OMG!!! What an easter egg that only us fans could understand!!! Hope the new superhero film next week is even more self-referential, I want the main character to literally lean out of the screen and wink at me as he delivers his lines!!!"

It is stupid, I dont approve and therefore you are a bad person.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

We've been recycling the same stories for years OP:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Seven_Basic_Plots

Thanks for that..

DivingDuck

Pithythefool wrote: »

Hold your horses there now! There are challenging films, and then there are multiple, multiple copies of the exact same thing.

Theres a happy medium in-between there somewhere. I don't understand how a person can get excited to see spiderman pop up in a Hulk movie wearing a captain America t-shirt while quoting Thor from another cross-over film.

I love that kind of stuff, so I guess we'll just have to disagree there.

The ongoing success of these multiple copies does indicate that the public en masse are happy to consume them, though, otherwise they'd flop and the studio would quit making them. Hollywood is only giving people what they enjoy— anything mass marketed (which a costly film must be, to recoup the investment) has to appeal to a broad swathe of people, which means aiming for the lowest common denominator.

Hollywood won't change as long as most people have average tastes— which they always will, by definition.

Pithythefool

DivingDuck wrote: »

I love that kind of stuff, so I guess we'll just have to disagree there.

The ongoing success of these multiple copies does indicate that the public en masse are happy to consume them, though, otherwise they'd flop and the studio would quit making them. Hollywood is only giving people what they enjoy— anything mass marketed (which a costly film must be, to recoup the investment) has to appeal to a broad swathe of people, which means aiming for the lowest common denominator.

Hollywood won't change as long as most people have average tastes— which they always will, by definition.

Well I'll agree with you there! Averages are just that, averages. And the world is thick as sh&te :P

Maybe I should have rephrased the question "how long have we got as an intelligent species"

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Pithythefool wrote: »

.....until we run out of ideas for films and books? Like, 100% run out!

A lot of films can be remade given enough time, get a fresh audience etc, but how many times can that be done even?

Only a matter of time until harry potter gets remade (with some godforsaken "twist" like "Harriet Potter"......and again, and again. But there has to come a point, logically, where everyone just throws there hands up and admits its all been done.

Kind of strange to imagine it, but we're just about at the tipping point I'd say.

What do you think?

NOTE: The last Jedi better not be a remake of empire strikes back (and theres apparently another trilogy of star wars already given the go-ahead, yeesh!)

I read somewhere that there are only 36 specific plots, everything is pretty much a variation of copy of one of them.

Also depends on who you are: James Cameron seems to have run of ideas some time round about 2006.

B.A._Baracus

You'll never run out of ideas.
Take The Matrix... it took so much from japanese animes (ghost in the shell etc) and in turn Inception got inspired from the Matrix. Now we're just waiting on the new thing that got inspired by Inception :pac:

Berserker

Don Kiddick wrote: »

We just need a new Hitler and we have decades of war movies.... sorted!

Kim might be the man for that job.

Akrasia

I think this is actually interesting. Over a thousand views but less than 10 actual votes in the poll

So, if you put a poll up with stupid options, only 1% of people will vote.

Kinda explains why democracy is so screwed. Terrible candidates put forward by corrupt political parties that offer no real choice = low voter turnout

bodhrandude

Pithythefool wrote: »

.....until we run out of ideas for films and books? Like, 100% run out!

A lot of films can be remade given enough time, get a fresh audience etc, but how many times can that be done even?

Only a matter of time until harry potter gets remade (with some godforsaken "twist" like "Harriet Potter"......and again, and again. But there has to come a point, logically, where everyone just throws there hands up and admits its all been done.

Kind of strange to imagine it, but we're just about at the tipping point I'd say.

What do you think?

NOTE: The last Jedi better not be a remake of empire strikes back (and theres apparently another trilogy of star wars already given the go-ahead, yeesh!)

We'll never run out of ideas, sure you could make a film about killer toothpaste or something like a hyper intelligent cardboard conspiracy or whatever.

I agree with other posters that its now the era of the TV series, think of The Handmaids Tale and I am downloading one just now that was recommended by my lecturer, Black Mirror.

Capt'n Midnight

bodhrandude wrote: »

We'll never run out of ideas, sure you could make a film about killer toothpaste or something

close enough - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080391/
it even had a sequel http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095989/

DEFTLEFTHAND

Ideas get rehashed and reused all the time.

Ask any successful artist, author, musician, film maker etc to name their influences.