BPS payments question

MF4370

Can someone explain the BPS payments system currently in use in Ireland please? Do some farmers get €700 per hectre and others get €150 per hectre for doing the same thing? Would this be legal under EU Ethical and Fair trading policies? Does it not cause any human rights, mental/physical health, financial or discriminatory abuse issues? Should all full time farmers not get equal funding per Hectre to promote fair trade. Or is there a valid justification for the imbalance making it the only viable solution? Are there any other examples of government funding with a 1:5 imbalance between different companies in the same sector?

wrangler

MF4370 wrote: »

Can someone explain the BPS payments system currently in use in Ireland please? Do some farmers get €700 per hectre and others get €150 per hectre for doing the same thing? Would this be legal under EU Ethical and Fair trading policies? Does it not cause any human rights, mental/physical health, financial or discriminatory abuse issues? Should all full time farmers not get equal funding per Hectre to promote fair trade. Or is there a valid justification for the imbalance making it the only viable solution? Are there any other examples of government funding with a 1:5 imbalance between different companies in the same sector?

Most EU schemes have nothing to do with fairness, they're mostly political and favour the strongest lobby group, they'll probably over compensate in the next CAP reform and pay farmers that grow weeds.
It's been going on for fifty years and you can be damn sure that the EU has it well checked out legally

MF4370

Lots of criminal activities have been ongoing for 50+ years and corruption rings always think they are covered. I don’t know about farmers growing weeds but at the moment it is multi generational farmers who have green fields, animals kept in the best conditions and they are given 5 times less than some others doing the same thing. It’s not going to help if they give weed growers more in CAP, it has to be the same for all farmers, equal opportunities for everyone, no discrimination

20silkcut

MF4370 wrote: »

Lots of criminal activities have been ongoing for 50+ years and corruption rings always think they are covered. I don’t know about farmers growing weeds but at the moment it is multi generational farmers who have green fields, animals kept in the best conditions and they are given 5 times less than some others doing the same thing. It’s not going to help if they give weed growers more in CAP, it has to be the same for all farmers, equal opportunities for everyone, no discrimination

This does not happen in real life. The strongest loudest lobbyists are the ones who get “equality”.

This is how equality works.

If a farmer is going to lose 300 grand a year due to cap reform he is going to jump out of his skin and pull out all the stops to prevent that.
If the vast majority of us are going to benefit by a few hundred quid by the redistribution of the big guys payments under cap reform well we are not going to be too bothered and are not going to shout too loud if it happens or not.

wrangler

MF4370 wrote: »

Lots of criminal activities have been ongoing for 50+ years and corruption rings always think they are covered. I don’t know about farmers growing weeds but at the moment it is multi generational farmers who have green fields, animals kept in the best conditions and they are given 5 times less than some others doing the same thing. It’s not going to help if they give weed growers more in CAP, it has to be the same for all farmers, equal opportunities for everyone, no discrimination

You've seen the dairy farmers income (€90000)....is it right that they get the same subsidy as drystock,...that's what you're advocating.
Or a hill farmer on 200acres lambing 60ewes (plenty time for full time work) getting €20000 compared with a lowland farmer on 100acre lambing 500 ewes (very little time for part time work) getting €10000.
As for growing weeds....look at the wild bird cover, that's the way we're heading,

MF4370

Why would a farmer loose 300,000? It might have to be reduced if they have been over paid for years. Not something they’d want to be shouting about too loudly. Im talking about payments that are allocated per hectare. If Enda farms 50 acres and Leo farms 50 acres, Enda should not get 2,3,4 or 5 times more forcing Leo to kill himself. If it was based on hectares and land productivity, I’d be all for that too. You would not be locked into getting nothing every year with no way out, you could improve your land and productivity and increase your payment. It would provide hope and something to work towards.

sonnybill

wrangler wrote: »

You've seen the dairy farmers income (€90000)....is it right that they get the same subsidy as drystock,...that's what you're advocating.
Or a hill farmer on 200acres lambing 60ewes (plenty time for full time work) getting €20000 compared with a lowland farmer on 100acre lambing 500 ewes (very little time for part time work) getting €10000.
As for growing weeds....look at the wild bird cover, that's the way we're heading,

Have to agree I think there should be some minimum level of production to be met.. You can have 100ha of poor ground and produce 10 lambs or better still few donkeys and no lambs or cattle but once you reach stocking rate of 0.15 lu per hectare you get paid 30k for 100ha of food producing land