Seat alhambra new tyre in Atlas Stillorgan

gabbo is coming

Hi

Wife's car had a burst Tyre. Seat alhambra 2012

There's no spare tyre on this car??

AA brought it to atlas motors in stillorgan

They changed 'like for like'

Has Goodyear tyres but they put on Bridgestone tanza t001
125 for the tyre, 165 all in

They said it was because it was a run flat tyre??

I wasn't there, seems very expensive?

Atlantic Dawn

That would be reasonable for runflats of that size.

jca

I've never heard of a 2012 Alhambra with run flats. Why did they charge you extra? I've never seen that dodge before, I've only ever paid the price of the tyre which always included fitting and balancing.

Toyotafanboi

They aren't run flats but they could likely be puncture resistant/ self sealing.

Some places charge the price of fitting a tyre as an extra, visable on an invoice but some incorporate it into the price of the tyre. Its hard to comment in the price as an overall without knowing the tyre size, but €125 for the tyre and €165 fitted makes it sound like €40 for fitting which is obviously nuts.

I'm wondering was the tyre €125+VAT which would be €154, which would mean a tenner to fit which is more sensible. For a brand name tyre in possibly a 17 or 18 inch profile it doesn't sound too expensive.

jca

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

They aren't run flats but they could likely be puncture resistant/ self sealing.

Some places charge the price of fitting a tyre as an extra, visable on an invoice but some incorporate it into the price of the tyre. Its hard to comment in the price as an overall without knowing the tyre size, but €125 for the tyre and €165 fitted makes it sound like €40 for fitting which is obviously nuts.

I'm wondering was the tyre €125+VAT which would be €154, which would mean a tenner to fit which is more sensible. For a brand name tyre in possibly a 17 or 18 inch profile it doesn't sound too expensive.

It’s still a load of bollox. I’ve never seen a plus vat price on a tyre ever. What you see is what you pay, end of. Classic case of a woman driving and we’ll charge what we’ll like..

Toyotafanboi

jca wrote: »

It’s still a load of bollox. I’ve never seen a plus vat price on a tyre ever. What you see is what you pay, end of. Classic case of a woman driving and we’ll charge what we’ll like..

Ah now, let's not call the Daily Mail just yet. You know I've spent my whole working life in retail/ customer facing roles and I've never once felt the need to charge a female customer or any non clued in customer regardless of sex extra for a job, nor can I think of a single colleague that does or did.

What would be the incentive for the fitter in Atlas to increase the price? Does he want to reduce the likelihood of a sale so he can remain idle for longer or are we suggesting he is pocketing the difference or that Atlas are bonusing him for fleecing people because they all sound pretty far fetched to me.

I've encountered plenty of motor factors any tyre outlets (particularly ones that supply trade aswell as retail) that generate invoices that withhold VAT until the bottom line for transparency. The rep may have said "the tyre is €125, supplied and fitted including VAT it's €165". Nothing wrong with that at all except he would have been better off saying "the tyre is €165 cash and we are fitting it for free" for perceived "transparency". The price is still the price.

orm0nd

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

They aren't run flats but they could likely be puncture resistant/ self sealing.

Some places charge the price of fitting a tyre as an extra, visable on an invoice but some incorporate it into the price of the tyre. Its hard to comment in the price as an overall without knowing the tyre size, but €125 for the tyre and €165 fitted makes it sound like €40 for fitting which is obviously nuts.

I'm wondering was the tyre €125+VAT which would be €154, which would mean a tenner to fit which is more sensible. For a brand name tyre in possibly a 17 or 18 inch profile it doesn't sound too expensive.

If they fitted the tyre they should charge 13.5% VAT

George Dalton

orm0nd wrote: »

If they fitted the tyre they should charge 13.5% VAT

Tyres and tyre fitting are one of the exceptions to this rule, they must be charged at 23%, but other aspects of the job such as balancing or alignment if carried out can be charged at 13.5% So what a lot of tyre shops do is itemise the bill so that they can pay a small amount less VAT. That is why you end up with invoices like the OP describes.

Stallingrad

Always enquire as to the price including VAT. Tyre fitters are notorious for quoting ex VAT figures (which they are entitled to do) but they are misleading and annoying come payment time.

OnDraught

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Nothing wrong with that at all except he would have been better off saying "the tyre is €165 cash

Nothing wrong with it apart from that it's illegal in this country to display or quote a retail price ex vat.

Riva10

OnDraught wrote: »

Nothing wrong with it apart from that it's illegal in this country to display or quote a retail price ex vat.

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Toyotafanboi

OnDraught wrote: »

Nothing wrong with it apart from that it's illegal in this country to display or quote a retail price ex vat.

It was a verbal quote from the sound of the OP and the verbal quote ended with the price incl. VAT.

gabbo is coming wrote:

165 all in

OnDraught

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

It was a verbal quote from the sound of the OP and the verbal quote ended with the price incl. VAT.

I was referring to your post where you said

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I've encountered plenty of motor factors any tyre outlets (particularly ones that supply trade aswell as retail) that generate invoices that withhold VAT until the bottom line for transparency. The rep may have said "the tyre is €125, supplied and fitted including VAT it's €165". Nothing wrong with that at all except he would have been better off saying "the tyre is €165 cash and we are fitting it for free" for perceived "transparency". The price is still the price.

Which would be illegal.

Toyotafanboi

How so?

OnDraught

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

How so?

Because the retail price of the tyre was never made clear. You yourself who is in the trade doesn't know if the customer was charged €30 or €10 for the fitting. You have to State the price of the tyre and the price of the fitting separately. VAT shouldn't be stated in a retail transaction because it's irrelevant.

Toyotafanboi

The fitting price is unclear, I'll give you that. Is it legit to just say "€165 supplied and fitted including VAT" and not itemise it? Genuinely i'm not sure if they're obliged to break it down.

If they are though, there's certainly nothing wrong about breaking down the invoice ex VAT as long as the VAT inclusive price is shown though, most service invoices are done this way.

As in

Tyre: €125
Fitting: €9

Net: €134
VAT: €30.82

Total: €164.82

I know there's environmental fees and stuff supposed to be included too but you get the gist. If the fella was reading that estimate over the phone, "the tyre is €125, so it's €165 all in".

I should add, I'm not trying to justify it, just understand what may have happened.

OnDraught

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

The fitting price is unclear, I'll give you that. Is it legit to just say "€165 supplied and fitted including VAT" and not itemise it? Genuinely i'm not sure if they're obliged to break it down.

If they are though, there's certainly nothing wrong about breaking down the invoice ex VAT as long as the VAT inclusive price is shown though, most service invoices are done this way.

As in

Tyre: €125
Fitting: €9

Net: €134
VAT: €30.82

Total: €164.82

I know there's environmental fees and stuff supposed to be included too but you get the gist. If the fella was reading that estimate over the phone, "the tyre is €125, so it's €165 all in".

I should add, I'm not trying to justify it, just understand what may have happened.

Yeah that would be fine because the full retail price of each item and service is shown but obviously the op didn't get a receipt and they still don't know what they paid for.

Remouad

gabbo is coming wrote: »

Hi

Wife's car had a burst Tyre. Seat alhambra 2012

There's no spare tyre on this car??

AA brought it to atlas motors in stillorgan

They changed 'like for like'

Has Goodyear tyres but they put on Bridgestone tanza t001
125 for the tyre, 165 all in

They said it was because it was a run flat tyre??

I wasn't there, seems very expensive?

jca wrote: »

I've never heard of a 2012 Alhambra with run flats.

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

They aren't run flats but they could likely be puncture resistant/ self sealing.

They're run flats alright.
Car doesn't have a spare wheel or a roadside kit.