Smart Fortwo ED

unkel

More specific: the third generation ED3 model (not the newest model that came out this years)

You can buy one for a touch over £6k in the UK for a late 2013 model, meaning you could land it here for €7k

74BHP but only 900kg, so should be reasonably nippy and efficient even though it only has a 17.6kWh battery giving a NEDC range of 145km, EPA just over 100km

What AC charging does it have? Any DC fast charging or was this an option? Even without DC charging, would make a nice modern cheap runabout that should cost nothing to own apart from a few shekels in tax and insurance? I presume these don't have battery lease, but all of this is pretty hard to find.

cros13

pre-2011:

16.5kWh Tesla-designed 18650-based pack (EV-West in the US sells modules from the US Smart ED)
No DC rapid charging
3.3kW onboard charger
20kW motor with a boost mode that increases power by 50% for a few minutes
~100km EPA

post-2011:

17.6kWh Deutsche Accumotive (Daimler subsidiary) pouch cell-based
No DC rapid charging
7.4kW onboard charger
55kW motor
~110km EPA

unkel

Yeah I'm talking about the post 2011 model (the production model that was for sale, not just through lease / rental companies)

No DC is disappointing, but 7.4kW onboard is helpful on the odd trip that would exceed 100km. There's a Brabus sportier version with more power and which is a good bit quicker too (0-100km/h in 10s - probably quite quick 0-50km/h which matters far more). A lot of EV for your money then if you only need a two seater? The normal one comes in Cabriolet version too

unkel

Rather good vid from an owner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeoGjgqjQDM

You sure it's 7.4kW charging, cros13?

Kinda cute car, wouldn't mind hopping over to the UK and bring one home, drive it for a bit and then sell it on with minimal loss (depreciation). How's that for a plan?

cros13

unkel wrote: »

You sure it's 7.4kW charging, cros13?

Nope. Conflicting sources. Now that I double checked it's a 3.3kW too.

The 2017 has a 7.4 and the new 2018 will get (Renault's?) 22kW charger.

unkel wrote: »

Kinda cute car, wouldn't mind hopping over to the UK and bring one home, drive it for a bit and then sell it on with minimal loss (depreciation). How's that for a plan?

I'm still pining for a twizy... partially for the fun factor.... partially to win a bet with a mate.

unkel

cros13 wrote: »

Nope. Conflicting sources. Now that I double checked it's a 3.3kW too.

Yeah it looked like a 3.3kW to me.

cros13 wrote: »

I'm still pining for a twizy... partially for the fun factor.... partially to win a bet with a mate.

On both counts, go for it Can you buy one without the dreaded battery lease, at all?

ELM327

You can buy one direct from Renault Norway with no battery lease.
Seeing as there is no LHD/RHD difference.

Occasional second hand ones with no battery lease come up but they are rare.
I'm also an admirer of the Twizy but herself would kill me.