pub reopening beside me...what can i do

nicearbhaill

Hey folks any advice appreciated...just got a shock.

Living in current rental accommodation for a year. Love it and just signed up for another year. Normally I am out of my accommodation from 7am - 7pm but today I came back around 5pm and noticed the pub next door to me being renovated. Quick google search and it is reopening on Saturday. I'm in shock and very worried. The place I live is very quiet so very concerned about noise.

The pub has been closed for over 2 years.

Besides moving is there anything I can do. They have music on Saturday night and Sunday advertised.

Any experiences welcome. It is a quiet area ...not a trendy part of town at all so just shocked they will even get business.

Noise is my biggest concern. Basically not being able to sleep every night. Am I overreacting.

Eric Cartman

if its just a pub it'll be closed by 12 on a Sunday and 1.30am on a Saturday. I'd consider that reasonable for noise. Most pubs are sound insulated pretty well so unless you have a wall joining the actual pub id say you'll be fine.

Heisenberg.

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nicearbhaill

oh dear...my wall is adjoining. There is a business on the other side of me and I got used to that but a pub is different

Moonbeam

You could move.

I lived over a pub for years, you get used to it fairly quickly.

ravima

Your final option, if you feel you have grounds, is to object to the renewal of the licence. Mind you, you would need grounds to object. You would also need records of the noise levels. these would need to be excessive on a regular basis as 'normal' noise is to be expected from a pub during opening hours.

K.Flyer

One of the benefits of renting is being able to move reasonably easy.
Your options are limited, stay and see how noise, disturbances work out and how intrusive they are, but you may have to put up with it for a year unless your LL allows you to break the lease.
Or go talk to your LL now and say you don't want to take chances and you need to get out ASAP.

RHJ

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nicearbhaill

cheers...I contacted my landlord and he immediately called over which was great. He said not to worry. There prob will be noise on opening night but after that it should be normal noise. I normally wear headphones for tv and movies anyway so normal noise doesnt bug me. Late night discos would. The new pub owner made contact with my LL and the other businesses nearby aswell.

I feel a bit better now but still worried. If it is a normal old man type pub I wish them well though. If I have to move I have to.... how to find somewhere to live in Dublin now I dont know

the_syco

On the plus side, if it does food, it may become your new Sunday haunt

TeaBagMania

nicearbhaill wrote: »

pub reopening beside me...what can i do

Ask if they have discount pints for residents

nicearbhaill

funny - especially when I dont drink

I have spoken to my landlord so he is supportive. But this morning I made some contact with the council to see what they advise and what steps I have to make in the event there is an issue.

I would hate to move (forget about the deposit) it is simply trying to find somewhere is the problem.

So I have decided to fight it. Any issues I will immediately report - I am not the only person affected. Lots of apartments are nearby some with young children so I can only imagine how they feel.

GingerLily

nicearbhaill wrote: »

funny - especially when I dont drink

I have spoken to my landlord so he is supportive. But this morning I made some contact with the council to see what they advise and what steps I have to make in the event there is an issue.

I would hate to move (forget about the deposit) it is simply trying to find somewhere is the problem.

So I have decided to fight it. Any issues I will immediately report - I am not the only person affected. Lots of apartments are nearby some with young children so I can only imagine how they feel.

How many years has the pub been open before it closed?

The pub was there before all these apartments were built?

Provided it is no less disruptive when it reopens as it was when it closed - why would the council not allow the pub to be open?

Surely if you rented accommodation right beside a pub you must have known the risks??

nicearbhaill

nope pub has been closed for years - double checked last night and pub has been closed for 5 years actually. Pub was there the same time as the apartments. Dont know how long the pub was originally open for.

I spoke with the LL and he even didnt expect it to reopen and fully expects it not to last. Not being pessimistic but there wouldnt be the demand in the area. There isnt even the footfall.

I didnt expect it to reopen ...noone did. I have no issue if it is quiet but bands playing every night of the week would not be acceptable. Just because I'm a tenant doesnt mean I dont deserve somewhere quiet to live

If a pub opened beside a house I owned I would have the same concerns.

L1011

Where's the pub? Not relevant to the thread but I keep track of Dublin openings/closings. Actually if it is in Dublin I may be able to tell you how long it was open for.

The pub will have got planning permission etc originally so your only avenues are noise complaints or issues like smoking areas being complaint really

nicearbhaill

oh no Im not saying on here. But yeah noise complaints and smoking and any after hours drinking. Anything like that. Dont see how long it was previously open was relevant. I could be living there 20 years and a pub opens beside me. Still a major concern.

L1011

nicearbhaill wrote: »

oh no Im not saying on here. But yeah noise complaints and smoking and any after hours drinking. Anything like that. Dont see how long it was previously open was relevant. I could be living there 20 years and a pub opens beside me. Still a major concern.

Its relevant in terms of planning compliance for one thing. Also, if you've got a pub that traded for a decent period of time before closing it's easy for them to argue that you should have been aware that the pub was there

If the previous time it was open it had late licences and bands playing there'd be an expectation from the new operator that they could do it again, and so on.

Larbre34

Conway's of Parnell Street, yes?

Depends who's running it. If well run, you'll have no bother. If run by cowboys, different story.

Nothing you can do now, so long as it complies with planning, and as it was a well established boozer for years, it does.

If trouble does arise, it can be documented to support an objection to the renewal of the licence next time, which occurs after 10 years.....

L1011

Larbre34 wrote: »

Conway's of Parnell Street, yes?

Depends who's running it. If well run, you'll have no bother. If run by cowboys, different story.

That's been closed for more like ten years! And was a pub for more than 100 before that.

nicearbhaill

lol...not that one..

Thanks about the compliant stuff good to know. Again I personally love old man/local pubs and I admire anyone who attempts to open a pub these days....again I dont drink myself.

I love where I live and Dublin is a nightmare for accommodation so I need to fight for where I live. There are other businesses near me...one right beside me and never a bother with that.

Dont want to come across as a massive moaner

Walter Bishop

He who forsees disaster suffers it twice over... Why not wait and see how it goes once it opens, then if you need to, take appropriate action.

Wabbit Ears

The economy is on the up and has been for a while now. The fact a recession pub closure is re-opening shouldnt really be a surprise.

Sebastian Dangerfield

nicearbhaill wrote: »

I have no issue if it is quiet but bands playing every night of the week would not be acceptable. QUOTE]

Unless you live in Temple Bar you're safe enough. Bands cost money that is only justified in most places by busy weekend trade

nicearbhaill

thanks but not the most helpful

If I was an owner I would feel exactly the same but would have a greater worry about actually selling. I previously lived next door to a brothel (unknown to me for a long time) and they were very quiet so I dont think I am very picky.

I think anyone (tenant or house owner) would feel very worried about any new business opening beside them. Especially one that can have such a disruptive influence on my life.

All good to say move but this is Dublin...not that easy. For any homeowners who think I am cranky how about I pull up outside your house and play music and smoke in your garden all night long every night.

I have to put up some fight or I will simply end up homeless.

davo2001

nicearbhaill wrote: »

For any homeowners who think I am cranky how about I pull up outside your house and play music and smoke in your garden all night long every night.

Well, I wouldn't have moved next door to a pub! You are coming across as cranky, literally nothing has happened yet.

SteM

nicearbhaill wrote: »

Not being pessimistic...

You're the definition of pessimistic. The place hasn't opened and you're already talking about fighting for your home.

Sebastian Dangerfield

nicearbhaill wrote: »

thanks but not the most helpful

If I was an owner I would feel exactly the same but would have a greater worry about actually selling. I previously lived next door to a brothel (unknown to me for a long time) and they were very quiet so I dont think I am very picky.

I think anyone (tenant or house owner) would feel very worried about any new business opening beside them. Especially one that can have such a disruptive influence on my life.

All good to say move but this is Dublin...not that easy. For any homeowners who think I am cranky how about I pull up outside your house and play music and smoke in your garden all night long every night.

I have to put up some fight or I will simply end up homeless.

It seems like you have already decided this is going to be a huge drama before anything has even happened. To suggest you may become homeless as a direct result of a nearby business being renovated is quite the jump.

There is a pub at the end of my back garden. I've probably heard noise twice in 18 months; if the pub is well run you shouldn't have any problems. Very few pubs have music blaring at night - live music costs too much, and most people go to "traditional" pubs for a quiet drink.

Regardless, I don't think there is anything you can do for now. Licenses are granted under certain conditions, so all you can do it monitor things, and gather evidence for a complaint if the conditions aren't being met.

Good luck

jimmycrackcorm

nicearbhaill wrote:

nope pub has been closed for years - double checked last night and pub has been closed for 5 years actually. Pub was there the same time as the apartments. Dont know how long the pub was originally open for.

If the pub was allowed then alongside the apartments and residential blocks, then what makes you think it shouldn't be now?

I.e. What new grounds are you arguing on?

nicearbhaill

ok thanks for the replies but pessimism comes from experience. The argument would be noise. The new owners are not the same owners as before.

I have already made contact with the council, LL and the owners....and there is music already advertised for the first night.

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Grayditch

Maybe it'll be a 24 hour karaoke bar...

challengemaster

Heisenberg. wrote: »

You can certainly complain to the Guards if there's noise pollution but I wouldn't hold my breath about them doing anything

Because the gardai have no authority when it comes to noise pollution. You’re into environmental issues there.

Jimbob1977

The big problem will be the shouting, roaring, urination, defecation and copulation that might occur outside.

spurious

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

The big problem will be the shouting, roaring, urination, defecation and copulation that might occur outside.

That's what I thought this thread would be about. Pub noise would be the least of your worries.

MadYaker

Id say give it 2 weeks. the first weekend it's open will probably be busy because people will be curious but after that it will get quieter. If you and your landlord don't think it's viable then maybe it won't last. Id say the main problem will be noise from people outside on the street after closing but give it a few weeks, it might be fine.

Also I doubt your landlord will be bending over backwards to help you out here. There isn't a lot he can do and since you're in Dublin it's not like he'll have trouble filling the place if you move out so I can't see him being too bothered.

K.Flyer

nicearbhaill wrote: »

nope pub has been closed for years - double checked last night and pub has been closed for 5 years actually. Pub was there the same time as the apartments. Dont know how long the pub was originally open for.

I spoke with the LL and he even didnt expect it to reopen and fully expects it not to last. Not being pessimistic but there wouldnt be the demand in the area. There isnt even the footfall.

I didnt expect it to reopen ...noone did. I have no issue if it is quiet but bands playing every night of the week would not be acceptable. Just because I'm a tenant doesnt mean I dont deserve somewhere quiet to live

If a pub opened beside a house I owned I would have the same concerns.

Its not as if its a building being converted to its use as a pub or a new build, it was there when you moved in, in plain sight. Whether anyone did or didn't expect it to reopen is beside the fact, it was there there and so was the chance of it reopening.
I know a pub which was very quiet and fell into disrepair, owner wasn't capable of doing anything decent with and it closed for a while. People thought it would get knocked down for housing.
Someone has now leased it off him, turned it into very busy trendy place with music nights and its doing very well.

GingerLily

I imagine you'd be on reduced rent living beside a pub - open or closed? And the same would apply to property prices?

ballyargus

Be happy. There's not one within 20 mins walk of me

TheAnalyst_

You wear headphones watching tv?

jasper100

nicearbhaill wrote: »

ok thanks for the replies but pessimism comes from experience. The argument would be noise. The new owners are not the same owners as before.

I have already made contact with the council, LL and the owners....and there is music already advertised for the first night.

No more replies required

So you rang the council wasting somebody’s time about something that hasn’t actually happened and might never happen?

riffmongous

Jimbob1977 wrote: »

The big problem will be the shouting, roaring, urination, defecation and copulation that might occur outside.

Yeah I'd never live near one again. The band might stop around 1 or whatever but the shouting will go on for hours

Eric Cartman

If you do move out give me a PM with your landlords details, He'll have to work out getting a door cut into that adjoining wall but Ill swap you my quiet country rental :pac:

L1011

My nearly exhaustive knowledge of Dublin pubs has only given me one that's close ~5 years, has low passing traffic, contemporary to a block of apartments and has other businesses nearby but I can't find anything about it reopening. Take out the other businesses and there's another and again, nothing.

rafatoni

Coming into the christmas season too, pub be rammed for December and you might have folk doing 12 pubs.

Embrace it is what i say. Could be a lively spot.

the_syco

L1011 wrote: »

My nearly exhaustive knowledge of Dublin pubs has only given me one that's close ~5 years, has low passing traffic, contemporary to a block of apartments and has other businesses nearby but I can't find anything about it reopening. Take out the other businesses and there's another and again, nothing.

Google is bringing up nothing. I'm thinking perhaps there is no pub?

L1011

the_syco wrote: »

Google is bringing up nothing. I'm thinking perhaps there is no pub?

There's about 50 licenced but closed pubs in all of County Dublin and maybe another 5 that are closed short enough to get their licence back; I'd know most of them and can't think of any that match this

If its even vaguely modern, lovindublin will feature it anyway :pac:

JustJoe7240

L1011 wrote: »

There's about 50 licenced but closed pubs in all of County Dublin and maybe another 5 that are closed short enough to get their licence back; I'd know most of them and can't think of any that match this

If its even vaguely modern, lovindublin will feature it anyway :pac:

Was thinking maybe the bridge inn in Chapelizod.
But that's not helping the O.P, As already said several times, all you can really do is give it a week or two to settle, and if you can't bear it,move out. Seeing as the new pub owner has already contacted your ll, and from what you've said about LL on here, they both sound like decent folk, so hopefully you'll be able to come to an agreement.

SusieBlue

I live next door to one and its grand. Its a bit too trendy to call it an old mans pub, but its certainly an older crowd in there. Never a peep out of the place Sunday-Thursday, even if they play music I hear nothing.
Friday/Saturday there would be a bit of noise at half 12am when the place is closing, nothing too mad just the sounds of people chatting while waiting for taxis. Definitely tolerable though, and I'd be awake at that time at the weekends anyway.

My only gripe is one which you haven't even considered. The pub receives keg deliveries twice weekly. These deliveries could start any time from 5am and the noise is thunderous. Between the beeping of the big truck reversing, the thumping of the heavy keg off the ground, the noise from the chains rattling off the barrels, the chattering of the lads delivering them - its impossible to sleep through. So once/twice a week I end up rising for the day at 5am because I can't sleep through it, when I normally wouldn't have to get up till about 2 hours after that.

I would honestly prefer the noise from the last night Friday bar to the noise from the early morning keg deliveries if I could pick.

You might get lucky in that they may deliver later in the morning to you, in which case you'll have no worries.

This would be a disaster for me, I'd be be in the pub everyday if I had one so close :pac:

mafitz

Kieran Important Table wrote: »

This would be a disaster for me, I'd be be in the pub everyday if I had one so close :pac:

I thought this was a wind up, a renter being shocked that a pub was reopening, holy crap was to do? How about taking a deep breath and let people run their business, if you don't like it move and get over yourself, shocked...lol

L1011

joecass123 wrote: »

Was thinking maybe the bridge inn in Chapelizod.
But that's not helping the O.P, As already said several times, all you can really do is give it a week or two to settle, and if you can't bear it,move out. Seeing as the new pub owner has already contacted your ll, and from what you've said about LL on here, they both sound like decent folk, so hopefully you'll be able to come to an agreement.

That has been open very recently (not for long).

JoeyJJ

Sorting bottles for recycling can be noisy too.

I can't muster up too much sympathy at the moment as nothing has happened yet. I would have say nothing to anyone before I seen how it affected me. The landlord and pub owner might take any complaints later with less consideration as they are probably expecting you to talking to them and they might play down any real annoyances that could be reduced.