Damastown Village - A Social & Affordable community.

January

Solidarity TD Ruth Coppinger and Councillors Matt Waine and Sandra Kavanagh today released this video to highlight a plan they have formulated for the only land remaining that is zoned for housing in the Fingal area. Fingal want to sell this land to private investors to build houses on which will be sold at market rates (which Leo Varadkar thinks is affordable!).

The land has capacity for:
78 - 4 bedroom houses
367 - 3 bedroom houses
390 - 2 bedroom houses
46 - 3 bedroom apartments
160 - 2 bedroom apartments
94 - 1 bedroom apartments

It will be 50/50 mixed social and affordable housing.

The video explains a lot more and there is a petition available to sign here - www.solidarity.ie/damastown

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uiQZekY_B8

blanch152

An interesting idea.

However the finances are pie in the sky.

The houses can't be built for €170,000 that they want to sell them for, so the numbers don't add up for the affordable housing half.

They propose the other half to come from the capital budget for Fingal. Is that the capital budget for libraries, roads, parks etc.? If it is new money, someone has to pay for it.

If Solidarity were being honest, and they aren't, they would increase LPT in Fingal County Council, which is within their control, to pay for this housing. Instead they are relying once again on the magic money tree.

A pity that a nice idea like this won't work as a result.

Bucklesman

O Cualann Co-housing in Ballymun delivered homes for at prices between 140k and 200k this year on council land.

Michael Bennett, a private builder in Enniscorthy, built houses to passive house energy standard for 170k last year.

If Fingal are prepared to make the same land deal as O Cualann got in Ballymun from Dublin City Council, waiving the development levy and handing over the sites at below market rate, the houses could very well be done for the 175k quoted.

ThisRegard

Gotta hand it to them for their brass necks. You'd think none of them were ever on Fingal CoCo the way they're going on.

No mention on infrastructure in their vid, that area is not served too well by public transport as is, and it's mayhem in the evenings. They'd want to sort that out too, as well as looking into potential social problems given where the development will be.

rolion

blanch152 wrote: »

They propose the other half to come from the capital budget for Fingal. Is that the capital budget for libraries, roads, parks etc.? If it is new money, someone has to pay for it.

If Solidarity were being honest, and they aren't, they would increase LPT in Fingal County Council, which is within their control, to pay for this housing. Instead they are relying once again on the magic money tree.

WHY increase the fcuking LPT,that i paid trough the nose so far since when i bought the house and every time i pay the mortgage to the bank (twice taxed with income tax) !?
Again,we the small ones have to support the poor developers and the "golden boys circle" ??!!!
Please explain,thanks.

Traffic at peak time is from beyond Clonee Village on M3 all the way to M50 new spaghetti junction.Time,dunno...
Reverse,is easier but Clonee / Ongar junction gets extra waiting minutes every month.
Primary schools, waiting lists on each school around here.
Secondary school,not sure if they have enough 1st year spaces...

Not lastly,how do you control / filter the troubles with a poor reaction to troubles setup ?
I cant remember how many times i heard Garda and helicopter around there.

Too many Qs to answer as a local resident and not just trough some numbers and video footage while you are living miles away...
Any of the local residents asked,any of the FCC staff feedback ?

eviltwin

It's a great site for housing but the location is a bit rubbish if you don't drive.

I'd also wonder about school places, where will they go? Mulhuddart? Tyrellstown? Aren't schools there already not big enough to cope.

Gavin "shels"

ThisRegard wrote: »

Gotta hand it to them for their brass necks. You'd think none of them were ever on Fingal CoCo the way they're going on.

No mention on infrastructure in their vid, that area is not served too well by public transport as is, and it's mayhem in the evenings. They'd want to sort that out too, as well as looking into potential social problems given where the development will be.

That's not their problem though populists just love the main solution and promise rather than the logical thinking... :pac:

ThisRegard

eviltwin wrote: »

It's a great site for housing but the location is a bit rubbish if you don't drive.

I'd also wonder about school places, where will they go? Mulhuddart? Tyrellstown? Aren't schools there already not big enough to cope.

Relatively close by there's about 5 primary schools which isn't too bad, but only 1 secondary school I think.

If it's going to be a 'village' they need to get the village part up and running first, schools, shops, transport hub, community facilities etc, and then the houses. Otherwise they're building what could become just more sink estates.

I think that applies for both a private and public development though, but the numbers mentioned in the first post seem ridiculous. I can't see how they'll fit that many in there.

Ultimately it'll just become part of Mulhuddart.

blanch152

rolion wrote: »

WHY increase the fcuking LPT,that i paid trough the nose so far since when i bought the house and every time i pay the mortgage to the bank (twice taxed with income tax) !?
Again,we the small ones have to support the poor developers and the "golden boys circle" ??!!!
Please explain,thanks.

Traffic at peak time is from beyond Clonee Village on M3 all the way to M50 new spaghetti junction.Time,dunno...
Reverse,is easier but Clonee / Ongar junction gets extra waiting minutes every month.
Primary schools, waiting lists on each school around here.
Secondary school,not sure if they have enough 1st year spaces...

Not lastly,how do you control / filter the troubles with a poor reaction to troubles setup ?
I cant remember how many times i heard Garda and helicopter around there.

Too many Qs to answer as a local resident and not just trough some numbers and video footage while you are living miles away...
Any of the local residents asked,any of the FCC staff feedback ?

Well, I amn't living miles away, I am living in Blanchardstown.

Your mortgage payment isn't a tax, you will own the property in the future.

LPT should be used for social housing as it is a tax on those who are able to afford to buy their own house to assist those who are not able to buy their own house.

ThisRegard

blanch152 wrote: »

LPT should be used for social housing as it is a tax on those who are able to afford to buy their own house to assist those who are not able to buy their own house.

Some can be allocated to housing, but not a chance should it all be allocated to social housing, what the hell is going to pay for the public services and facilities where we live?

And it's a bad road to even think of the idea of there being a tax on those that can afford their homes. Off to Stalinist Russia for that type of thinking.

SnakePlissken

Avondale right next door was built at a cost of 53 million for 240 homes over four years ago. The numbers do not tally that they could build 1135 new homes at a cost of 174 million when construction and labour costs have both increased over the intervening years. I'd estimate their proposal would be closer to 250 million.

Former Former

This is a classic Socialist ploy. Come up with an idea that they know is absolutely unworkable, then attack the government for not delivering on it.

Whatever about the economics of it, it's a recipe for a ghetto 20 years down the line.

Hewitt88

Just curious of them 12 fingal houses that where built this year how many irish families where put in them and how many irish families will be in damastown village

myshirt

Hewitt88 wrote: »

Just curious of them 12 fingal houses that where built this year how many irish families where put in them and how many irish families will be in damastown village

Is it a requirement that you be Irish?

Hewitt88

Look afte your own

Hewitt88

House the homeless irish families should be priority

Gaspode

Why?

Hewitt88

Why?do you think it’s right that we take in other nationalities in house them and our own people are homeless

January

A lot of migrants are homeless too, do you think that's fair? And actually, migrants have a bigger chance of becoming homeless too because usually friends or family can help out, migrants don't have family here to help out so they're more likely to end up in hotels or hostels rather than a spare room or a sofa in someone else's house.

The development will be mixed social and affordable housing if it does get the go-ahead, of the social housing they will be given to people on the housing list going by their priority on it. I'm sure it'll be a mix of Irish and foreign nationals who will be housed together.

Hewitt88

Do I think it’s fair no but I don’t understand why we are taking migrants in if we cannot house them

eviltwin

Hewitt88 wrote: »

Do I think it’s fair no but I don’t understand why we are taking migrants in if we cannot house them

A lot of homeless migrants are people who have lived and worked here for years, had children who are born and raised here. They deserve the same access to housing as anyone else.

Personally I don't care who lives in social housing near me or their background once they decent, law abiding folk.

Larbre34

Hewitt88 wrote: »

Do I think it’s fair no but I don’t understand why we are taking migrants in if we cannot house them

Most migrants are economically active and house themselves from their own resources. Yes some others are economic migrants or refugees and have to be handled accordingly, but don't forget the opportunities tens of thousands of Irish people avail of for education work and trade across the EU and beyond, its called reciprocity.

Immigration is simply not a key factor in the housing crisis, its down to bad, unenlightened policy, an economic crash and developer led planning - the last point of which is the real cancer in the problem and it goes back decades.

I take the point of those that have made the video, but their economics are Willy Wonka stuff.

VeVeX

Larbre34 wrote: »

Most migrants are economically active and house themselves from their own resources. Yes some others are economic migrants or refugees and have to be handled accordingly, but don't forget the opportunities tens of thousands of Irish people avail of for education work and trade across the EU and beyond, its called reciprocity.

How many Irish do you reckon are homeless abroad? I’d say the figure is infinitesimal. If you're not a citizen of the country and are found to be homeless or long term unemployed you should be sent back to where you came. I’ve no problem with people from other countries coming here to work and be an asset to the economy and the country but this ideology that we should support people from other countries indiscriminately is ludicrous.

Gaspode

Lets discuss the video in the OP and leave all the ironic bigotry out of the thread please. We're all citizens of this pathetic little rock trapped in the suns gravity.

Larbre34

VeVeX wrote: »

How many Irish do you reckon are homeless abroad? I’d say the figure is infinitesimal. If you're not a citizen of the country and are found to be homeless or long term unemployed you should be sent back to where you came. I’ve no problem with people from other countries coming here to work and be an asset to the economy and the country but this ideology that we should support people from other countries indiscriminately is ludicrous.

But we don't. We "support" non-nationals in hugely discriminatory ways, from full EU rights through to direct provision, its far from a level playing field - just as it is for the Irish abroad.

Caranica

Bringing it back to the OP, did anyone go to the meeting last night?

Zaph

Larbre34 wrote: »

But we don't. We "support" non-nationals in hugely discriminatory ways, from full EU rights through to direct provision, its far from a level playing field - just as it is for the Irish abroad.

There's already been one warning to keep things on-topic. Cards and/or bans will be produced for anyone else ignoring this. Thank you.