TL90 Tractor advise please

Sami23

Badly need some advice and knowledge from owners of these tractors please.
Thinking of upgrading to one of these or possibly the older 6635 depending on deal.
Loader is a must as only some much borrowing of the neighbours you can do.

The main difference I'm seeing in the TL90's is the gears. Some have the manual left hand shuttle while others have the power shuttle on the left of steering wheel. Wondering would the power shuttle be prone to giving trouble and would I be better stick to the manual shuttle ?

Price wise so far I'm a bit shocked as being quoted mid to high 20's for 2001 to 2003 tractors.

So any advise on these would be much appreciated from what to look out for in them, gears and what others have paid for them in the past.

Thanks

dohc turbo2

I have a 6635 with a few years I can't fault it , I do my own slurry and cut and draw my silage and I find it a great tractor .

twin_beacon

if you are getting a loader, then you will love the power shuttle.

Sami23

dohc turbo2 wrote: »

I have a 6635 with a few years I can't fault it , I do my own slurry and cut and draw my silage and I find it a great tractor .

Do you have a loader on it and what gear shuttle ?

Sami23

twin_beacon wrote: »

if you are getting a loader, then you will love the power shuttle.

Would the clutch last as long with power shuttle and would there be more electrics that could go wrong with it ?

kay 9

Power shuttle all day long for loader work. The tl series with shuttle is one of the most reliable transmissions out there. There's hardly any on record that needed work or repairs.
https://tractortorque.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/new-holland-over-view/
Have a read of that about the tl down the page.

twin_beacon

Sami23 wrote: »

Would the clutch last as long with power shuttle and would there be more electrics that could go wrong with it ?

we have a mf 4245 with a power shuttle, has around 4300 hours and is on its original clutch. We have had a few little issues with the power shuttle over the years, but the tractor is 17 years old now. A solenoid broke once, the tractor would only go in one direction. The biggest issue we ever had with the tractor was caused by somebody replacing a fuse with a stronger fuse, and blew a component in the shuttle. 2 issues over 17 years isnt bad. Then again, the early 4200 series did have some power shuttle issues, but they were fixed in the later models, which our one is.
If you do lots of loader work, the power shuttle is great, and your left knee will thank you! Being able to keep your left hand on the steering wheel, and right hand on the loader joy stick speeds up the jobs.

dohc turbo2

Sami23 wrote: »

Do you have a loader on it and what gear shuttle ?

Ya came with a trima loader it's a left hand shuttle

mad-for-tar

In large, there were 5 transmission options on these models:
24x24 power shuttle (F/R lever on steering column and splitter via switch on main gear lever)
24x12 mechanical shuttle (F/R lever to left of seat and splitter via switch on main gear lever)
12x12 mechanical shuttle (same as above without splitter)
12x4 transmission
20x12 transmission (with creeper)

The latter 2 or 3 versions are not very popular, you will find the first 2 are most common and a handful of the 3rd option around. All have a dry clutch disc EXCEPT for the 24x24 power shuttle, which has a torque damper fitted to the flywheel and generally doesnt need to be replaced unless there is a problem with it. Like all dry clutches, life span will be shorter with frequent direction changes on loader work etc, you wont have a dry clutch to worry about on a powershuttle version.

As someone had mentioned earlier, power shuttle all day long for loader work, great comfort in it. If youre budget can stretch to a PS version, go for it. Transmissions in general are bulletproof, very little if anything at all goes wrong on them. Some later TLA's and CIH equivalent JXU's had some issues with solenoids and software on the PS versions but the cirrect fixes are out there for any units with harsh clutch engagement. Even on older TL's with powershuttle, any harshness can often be ironed out with correct calibration procedure.

Only ones with a splitter were the 24x12 with mechanical shuttle by lever on LH side of the seat or the 24x24 power shuttle versions. Only other transmission versions were 12x4 (not common), a 12x12 with mechanical shuttle (no splitter) and a 20x12 creeeper version again which I think was not common.

In relation to the Massey 4200's with powershuttle in another post further up, these don't have a dry clutch like other mechanical shuttle versions, but yes, earlier ones did suffer some issues with F and R packs in the front of the box which was resolved in later versions. They definitely dont seem to be as hardy as the NH powershuttle driveline.

HTH.

Sami23

Great post mad for tar thanks for info.

I mite have to actually look at 6635 or 7635 as the TL90's are coming in a little over budget and for their age a bit surprising.

I'm actually looking at a 6635 with the 12x12, no button for splitter.
Would ye think I'd be OK with this range of gears or would the 24x24 be much better ?

White Clover

Sami23 wrote: »

Great post mad for tar thanks for info.

I mite have to actually look at 6635 or 7635 as the TL90's are coming in a little over budget and for their age a bit surprising.

I'm actually looking at a 6635 with the 12x12, no button for splitter.
Would ye think I'd be OK with this range of gears or would the 24x24 be much better ?

The 24 x 24 power shuttle would be a better job but I don't think the 35 series had that as an option, just the 12 x 12 and 24 x 12.

Sami23

White Clover wrote: »

The 24 x 24 power shuttle would be a better job but I don't think the 35 series had that as an option, just the 12 x 12 and 24 x 12.

Yeah agree there the 35 series don't seem to have the ps alright.
Wonder would the 12 x 12 be very basic to buy compared to the 24 x 12 or would it be ok ?

Presume they'd but have the same top speed

Sami23

Have now actually come across a TS90 for not bad money, better that TL90 prices anyway.

Can anyone tell me the main differences between the two and pros and cons please ?

White Clover

Sami23 wrote: »

Have now actually come across a TS90 for not bad money, better that TL90 prices anyway.

Can anyone tell me the main differences between the two and pros and cons please ?

Can you say what gearbox it has? The TS are Ford based, replacing the 40 series They are a heavier tractor than the tl. TL are a better tractor imo.

Sami23

White Clover wrote: »

Sami23 wrote: »

Have now actually come across a TS90 for not bad money, better that TL90 prices anyway.

Can anyone tell me the main differences between the two and pros and cons please ?

Can you say what gearbox it has?  The TS are Ford based, replacing the 40 series They are a heavier tractor than the tl. TL are a better tractor imo.

It has the 4 gears in different ranges with the forward/reverse shuttle on right hand side. Are they more prone to giving trouble than the TL90's ?

mad-for-tar

The TS series is a Ford based machine, Which was produced in Basildon plant using Ford engine which was also assembled there. The TL is a Fiat based machine with Iveco engine which was assembled in Jesi plant in Italy. Completely different platforms, as another poster has said, the TS is a heavier tractor than the TL and may not be as manoeuvreable and as nimble as the TL especially if you have tight yards and low sheds. Sounds like you have the 24x24 transmission, 4 gears, 3 ranges on a second lever and a splitter, unless I am mistaken. That same box has been used in the NH TSA and T6000 series and their red equivalents up to recently enough at least (still for some export markets at least). Transmission itself is ok, odd one can give issues with high and low clutch packs so if you have the splitter, check clutch Engagement in both low and high splitter range (use clutch to take up the drive in both cases and see if there is a noticeable difference in bite point). Usually calibration can sort it out if there is a difference but as long as you can stall the engine in both high and low range, you should be ok. 4WD is another area where there can be issues, it uses a dog clutch system and teeth have been known to strip, only way to tell is to switch on 4WD and make tight turns and ensure no nasty noises or jumping in the driveline or if you can get it in a field under load you can test that way too. Have seen issues with mechanical lift also so check that is functioning correctly, any issues are usually internal and it's a lift top off job to solve most of the time.
Otherwise they should be decent enough for your needs. This is just my 2p worth on them.

Sami23

mad-for-tar wrote: »

The TS series is a Ford based machine, Which was produced in Basildon plant using Ford engine which was also assembled there. The TL is a Fiat based machine with Iveco engine which was assembled in Jesi plant in Italy. Completely different platforms, as another poster has said, the TS is a heavier tractor than the TL and may not be as manoeuvreable and as nimble as the TL especially if you have tight yards and low sheds. Sounds like you have the 24x24 transmission, 4 gears, 3 ranges on a second lever and a splitter, unless I am mistaken. That same box has been used in the NH TSA and T6000 series and their red equivalents up to recently enough at least (still for some export markets at least). Transmission itself is ok, odd one can give issues with high and low clutch packs so if you have the splitter, check clutch Engagement in both low and high splitter range (use clutch to take up the drive in both cases and see if there is a noticeable difference in bite point). Usually calibration can sort it out if there is a difference but as long as you can stall the engine in both high and low range, you should be ok. 4WD is another area where there can be issues, it uses a dog clutch system and teeth have been known to strip, only way to tell is to switch on 4WD and make tight turns and ensure no nasty noises or jumping in the driveline or if you can get it in a field under load you can test that way too. Have seen issues with mechanical lift also so check that is functioning correctly, any issues are usually internal and it's a lift top off job to solve most of the time.
Otherwise they should be decent enough for your needs. This is just my 2p worth on them.

thanks mad-for-tar a great post

Sami23

Sorry but another question:
What is the difference between the SLDP and the SLE on the TS models ?
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White Clover

Sami23 wrote: »

Sorry but another question:
What is the difference between the SLDP and the SLE on the TS models ?
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The sldp is what's in the tractor you describe above. 3 ranges with 4 gears each plus dual power/splitter, which essentially doubles the number of gears you have, giving you 24 forward and 24 reverse gears.
The SLE or electroshift gearbox is a semi Powershift gearbox. It has 4 splits in 2 gears over 2 ranges giving you 16 forward and 16 reverse gears.

White Clover

Sami23 wrote: »

It has the 4 gears in different ranges with the forward/reverse shuttle on right hand side. Are they more prone to giving trouble than the TL90's ?

I think they are a little bit troublesome whereas the TL' s are as bombproof as you will find.
I personally don't like the long "throw" in the gear levers in that sldp gearbox.

kay 9

Have a 6635 here the last few years and it's trouble free. Typical fiat. Has the 12x12 with creeper box.
Lovely pokey little tractor.
If pushed to flaw it, it'd have to be the pto engagement is fast.
If you've a heavy implement on which is hard drive you can't really feather it in like the older machines but most newer tractors are similar so I'm being picky.

maidhc

White Clover wrote: »

I think they are a little bit troublesome whereas the TL' s are as bombproof as you will find.
I personally don't like the long "throw" in the gear levers in that sldp gearbox.

The TS (or 40 series before it) are not in anyway troublesome. Id take the TS over a TL, although the 90 may be a bit dead given the weight of the tractor.

Sami23

maidhc wrote: »

White Clover wrote: »

I think they are a little bit troublesome whereas the TL' s are as bombproof as you will find.
I personally don't like the long "throw" in the gear levers in that sldp gearbox.

The TS (or 40 series before it) are not in anyway troublesome. Id take the TS over a TL, although the 90 may be a bit dead given the weight of the tractor.

Why do you think the TS are better than TL ?
I've heard they are more expensive to repair that the TL if there's any truth in that

maidhc

Sami23 wrote: »

Why do you think the TS are better than TL ?
I've heard they are more expensive to repair that the TL if there's any truth in that

The TS is a heavier tractor. It has the same back end and gearbox as a 7840 and is completely understressed. I have a TS115 from new, and I can say it hasn't cost a penny in 17 years and 5000hrs (tiny I know) apart from a fan belt. It is still a very simple tractor and the 40 series have really stood the test of time.

cute geoge

Are there much difference between ts 115 and a ts115a

twin_beacon

My thinking would be that the TS series would be geared more towards a farmer that would do their own slurry, have a large cattle trailer or a large bale trailer, as they are a heavier machine.
TL is a lighter machine, with a smaller turning circle, better for small sheds and tight yards. A TL90 would be well able to tackle and job a TS90 would be able for and vice versa.
Both very good machines, that hold their value very well.

mad-for-tar

cute geoge wrote: »

Are there much difference between ts 115 and a ts115a

Yes quite a bit, TS-A series launched in late 2003 with new cab, new engines, new electrics, hydraulics and a number of other things. There's bugger all that's common on. TS115 to a TS115A. Wasn't just a facelift but more of a complete overhaul of that platform of tractors from NH.

red bull

What kind of money are TL90s making ?

Sami23

red bull wrote: »

What kind of money are TL90s making ?

Mid 20's on average

TooOldBoots

Anyone have those Hattat tractors? The look better than the tumason but don't seem to have many dealers here

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/spotted-in-tipperary-is-this-turkish-tractor-a-delight/

jd06

Hi sorry for side tracking the thread iv a problem with the PTO on my tl 90, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
Last week it was working grand then just stopped, no grinding and the light is saying its working in the dash,
The PTO is seldom used bus I'd like to have it going, any ideas??
To be fair to the tl 90 never got any bother with it,,,,, touch wood

White Clover

jd06 wrote: »

Hi sorry for side tracking the thread iv a problem with the PTO on my tl 90, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
Last week it was working grand then just stopped, no grinding and the light is saying its working in the dash,
The PTO is seldom used bus I'd like to have it going, any ideas??
To be fair to the tl 90 never got any bother with it,,,,, touch wood

There is a hydraulic pto in these so you will not hear grinding. It's either an electrical or hydraulic problem

Sami23

White Clover wrote: »

There is a hydraulic pto in these so you will not hear grinding. It's either an electrical or hydraulic problem

But you would hear some grinding when switching PTO speeds wouldn't ya.?

mad-for-tar

jd06 wrote: »

Hi sorry for side tracking the thread iv a problem with the PTO on my tl 90, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
Last week it was working grand then just stopped, no grinding and the light is saying its working in the dash,
The PTO is seldom used bus I'd like to have it going, any ideas??
To be fair to the tl 90 never got any bother with it,,,,, touch wood

Do you have ground drive option or not? (This is a lever with a PTO symbol one side of the slot and a tractor symbol on the other side). Check this is in the right position first. If you do have this option, check that PTO isnt turning when you start driving, if it is, it is stuck in ground drive setting. In this setting, the PTO valve is mechanically disabled so that pressure is not sent to the clutch pack.

If you dont have that option or if its verified its in the right place, engage the PTO and go outside and see if you can turn the stub shaft. Do this with caution, in case it suddenly tries to rotate in the process. If you can rotate easily by hand, then you either have one of 3 issues.
1) Clutch pack has possibly failed or worn.
2) Metal / teflon seal rings that the upper shaft passes through are damaged/broken, causing a loss of pressure to the pack.
3) Long shaft into the flywheel has slipped forward, disengaging it from the shaft above rear differential causing loss of drive.

For 1 and 2, pressure test or a gauge fitted in the T piece on left hand side of the rear housing will confirm. This should be done in any case, even if you are electrically fault finding it (solenoid check).
For 3, have seen this before where tractor was split and a small washer was left out from behind the flywheel, the drive shaft floats forward disconnecting it from clutch pack. To check this, point nose of tractor uphill (drive up a heap of sand or similar and then switch on PTO. If it works then, this is your issue).

They're fairly easy to work on anyway and easy to solve once you figure out whats gone wrong with it.

HTH.

jd06

Thanks mad for tar
That was a great post, there's no land drive , at least nothing is turning while I'm driving, so its a possibility of your other two examples,
I'll be bringing it to my local mechanic in the next few days and we'll see what he turns up, thanks again

queueeye

jd06 wrote: »

Hi sorry for side tracking the thread iv a problem with the PTO on my tl 90, sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't
Last week it was working grand then just stopped, no grinding and the light is saying its working in the dash,
The PTO is seldom used bus I'd like to have it going, any ideas??
To be fair to the tl 90 never got any bother with it,,,,, touch wood

Have you checked that the pto speed selector is not in neutral?

maidhc

queueeye wrote: »

Have you checked that the pto speed selector is not in neutral?

I had a similar problem with my TS115 once. The selector cable for the 540/1000 had stretched a little. Three turns of a spanner fixed it.