Possessive apostrophe

Will I Am Not

I’ve to design a sign for a friend and was wondering which of these is correct?
Kenny being the surname obviously.

Christmas at the Kenny’s
Or
Christmas at the Kennys’

Thanks.

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Will I Am Not

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Thank you

Will I Am Not

Would it be the same for a name ending in ‘s’? Such as Jones?

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New Home

On that note, shouldn't it be "at the Kennies"? ("y" preceded by a consonant becomes "ie" before "s", as in "studies")? I'm not nitpicking, BTW, this is a genuine question.

exaisle

"the Kenny's/Kennys" isn't great to start with....

"Christmas at the Kenny Residence/House/Household" takes the apostrophe out of play altogether and "Christmas at Kennys' " works better.

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Imagine if the surname were Butcher.

exaisle

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Imagine if the surname were Butcher.

Or Hoare....

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I assume that it’s Kennys’ because it’s shorthand for the Kennys’ house. House being implicit.

I feel that no apostrophe works too. It depends where you think the implicit house is in the sentence. Could be [the house of the] Kennys.

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Mearings

I spotted an Irish pub in the south of France recently. The name over the door is The Quay's.

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It’s never used. The Ladies is The Ladies not The Ladies’.

Most would find that odd.

feargale

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On that note, shouldn't it be "at the Kennies"? ("y" preceded by a consonant becomes "ie" before "s", as in "studies")? I'm not nitpicking, BTW, this is a genuine question.

May the Lord save you from Srameen's ire.

New Home

I asked because I wasn't sure, now I know and I'll remember. Isn't that how we learn? Better than not to ask and to continue to make the same mistake, isn't it?

Anyway, I've taken out life insurance, so...

beveragelady

Make life easy for yourself. Make it "Christmas with the Kennys." No apostrophe, no problem.

By the way, "going to the ladies" usually means "going to the ladies' toilets, so really an apostrophe is needed.

feargale

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

I’ve to design a sign for a friend and was wondering which of these is correct?
Kenny being the surname obviously.

Christmas at the Kenny’s
Or
Christmas at the Kennys’

Thanks.

If the Kennys include Mr and Mrs. Kenny, the kids, the granny and the dog, then the second is more correct.
However if Paddy Kenny is a batchelor with no known relatives the first would be right. Of course, if some damsel set her eye on him, which, he being a shopkeeper, would doubtless happen, he might ultimately have to go to the expense of changing it.
But I read an article in recent years on this very subject which posed the question: why not just write Kennys, no apostrophe?

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If the Kennys include Mr and Mrs. Kenny, the kids, the granny and the dog, then the second is more correct.
However if Paddy Kenny is a batchelor with no known relatives the first would be right. Of course, if some damsel set her eye on him, which, he being a shopkeeper, would doubtless happen, he might ultimately have to go to the expense of changing it.
But I read an article in recent years on this very subject which posed the question: why not just write Kennys, no apostrophe?

As I said that exactly what Ladies’ toilets do. You never see an apostrophe.

Omackeral

Literally on the Luas right now and the next stop is James's. Seems weirder the more I look at it.

benjamin d

I find a good rule of thumb is that unless you're absolutely sure where to put an apostrophe just leave them out altogether. It looks much more wrong to have an incorrect apostrophe than to be missing one.

Mearings

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Literally on the Luas right now and the next stop is James's. Seems weirder the more I look at it.

There was an argument in London some years ago as to whether the SW5 tube station was Earls Court or Earl's Court.

https://londonist.com/2015/07/itsnotpossibletogetanapostropheinaurl

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