mart v mart v home seeing

kerry cow

In kerry and you hear all the nonsense about don't go to this mart and go to that mart and more say sell on done deal at home .
Is there in fact a mart out there so much better than another ??
If so then we should all buy in A and resell in B mart
Also all these buyers are therefore fools not to go and buy in the so called cheaper mart .
Who's who and what's what

Bellview

With the large number of marts in kerry there is always a great choice..must be 6 or 7 in the county

kerry cow

Bellview wrote:

With the large number of marts in kerry there is always a great choice..must be 6 or 7 in the county

Your right but there's rumour of 1 or 2 on the edge of closing and others struggling .then there's all the up talk about another .
Hard to know .
How can one mart draw seemly all the buyers and sellers get the best price when others don't seem hearsay to achieve a good seller price .
Buyers are not fools .

dohc turbo2

Bellview wrote: »

With the large number of marts in kerry there is always a great choice..must be 6 or 7 in the county

7 I can think of

dohc turbo2

kerry cow wrote: »

Your right but there's rumour of 1 or 2 on the edge of closing and others struggling .then there's all the up talk about another .
Hard to know .
How can one mart draw seemly all the buyers and sellers get the best price when others don't seem hearsay to achieve a good seller price .
Buyers are not fools .

I take it ur talking about one mart in particular which has quitened a few other marts and draws big crowds , from what I've seen there is no better prices there , less if anything compaired to castleisland , the rest I don't go to , tralee and miltown meant to be very quite

Who2

I brought a cull cow/heifer to a mart near me one time. She was making 790 euro and I wouldn't sell, I brought her out to a different mart a few weeks later and sold her for 1390. Some marts are trickier than others and some places certain stock are more sought after so of course there will be a difference. The biggest difference you lol see are the bank holiday Monday Mart's with calves in them, they are nearly always full of parttimers out giving crazy prices for calves, if the same stock was there on a Tuesday nobody would be there to buy them. Like that certain people are about on certain days, some marts will be easier for them to get to.

patsy_mccabe

Can't understand why more Marts are not on a Saturday. Most farmers are partimers now so it makes sense.

kevthegaff

In tipp here roscrea would be for suckler better quality, while alot of fresian pass through nenagh, templemore, thurles, tipp town, Cashel and chair can't think of any others

tomwaterford

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Can't understand why more Marts are not on a Saturday. Most farmers are partimers now so it makes sense.

New ross was selling sheep on saterday mornings until factory and some bigger buyers kicked up as they were buying lambs for killing and then the %s were down come Monday morning


Think they still do calve/some cattle sales on Saturday mornings and some evening/night sales aswell...very progressive imo



But as for op question....imo alot is to do with auctioneers having too close a relationship with some buyers (inevitable as see each other every week??)....and then not taking bids off other lads etc etc.....


I know lads went to buy animals at a mart in tipp and left after getting no bids accepted in 5 unsold lots...

Cavanjack

tomwaterford wrote: »

New ross was selling sheep on saterday mornings until factory and some bigger buyers kicked up as they were buying lambs for killing and then the %s were down come Monday morning


Think they still do calve/some cattle sales on Saturday mornings and some evening/night sales aswell...very progressive imo



But as for op question....imo alot is to do with auctioneers having too close a relationship with some buyers (inevitable as see each other every week??)....and then not taking bids off other lads etc etc.....


I know lads went to buy animals at a mart in tipp and left after getting no bids accepted in 5 unsold lots...

I've never had an auctioneer refuse a bid off me and never saw this happen either, although I've heard of it happen (usually on boards).

tomwaterford

Cavanjack wrote: »

I've never had an auctioneer refuse a bid off me and never saw this happen either, although I've heard of it happen (usually on boards).

I would name the Mart company...but fear for libel

Straight up the father was at same place a few months after and same type thing happened looked at him and ignored him.....sure why would ya bother going to sell stuff there??


Father didn't give a shte...bought them outside the ring/through the mart alright in the end....buy tbf it was the same auctioneer and the others no issues with

Lady Haywire

I've known auctioneers to refuse bids but only cause the bidders were
a) known to be over their buy limit & had to pay before more animals bought
b) drunk off their tits
c) both of the above
d) had left unpaid bills in other marts

Lots of marts around here, weanlings on Sat in Carrigallen, Mon night is general sale.
Wed nights is weanlings in Mohill, Sat is general sale.
Dowra is Sat for general cattle as well I think, know they've a sale Sat anyway!
Drumshanbo is Friday nights for general stock, known to be a dealers mart but I find the cow trade to be good in it.
Thursdays is general sale in Ballymote & Friday is weanlings, only weekday sale of weanlings I know to be sorta close.

So it's sorta spaced out, no two marts next to each other will sell similar stock on the same days. Used to be a hassle when deals would buy cows in Drumshanbo and have them in Mohill the next day & sale wasn't closed from the night before.

Hard Knocks

Lady Haywire wrote: »

I've known auctioneers to refuse bids but only cause the bidders were
a) known to be over their buy limit & had to pay before more animals bought
b) drunk off their tits
c) both of the above
d) had left unpaid bills in other marts

Lots of marts around here, weanlings on Sat in Carrigallen, Mon night is general sale.
Wed nights is weanlings in Mohill, Sat is general sale.
Dowra is Sat for general cattle as well I think, know they've a sale Sat anyway!
Drumshanbo is Friday nights for general stock, known to be a dealers mart but I find the cow trade to be good in it.
Thursdays is general sale in Ballymote & Friday is weanlings, only weekday sale of weanlings I know to be sorta close.

So it's sorta spaced out, no two marts next to each other will sell similar stock on the same days. Used to be a hassle when deals would buy cows in Drumshanbo and have them in Mohill the next day & sale wasn't closed from the night before.

To add to your post, some marts are better for specific types (heard Dowra is a better place than Carrigallen for a Black LM/AA.
On the next day sale, I personally hate looking up at the board seeing in herd a few days.
Thought in my head how much did last person lose by

kk.man

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Lady Haywire wrote: »

I've known auctioneers to refuse bids but only cause the bidders were
a) known to be over their buy limit & had to pay before more animals bought
b) drunk off their tits
c) both of the above
d) had left unpaid bills in other marts

Lots of marts around here, weanlings on Sat in Carrigallen, Mon night is general sale.
Wed nights is weanlings in Mohill, Sat is general sale.
Dowra is Sat for general cattle as well I think, know they've a sale Sat anyway!
Drumshanbo is Friday nights for general stock, known to be a dealers mart but I find the cow trade to be good in it.
Thursdays is general sale in Ballymote & Friday is weanlings, only weekday sale of weanlings I know to be sorta close.

So it's sorta spaced out, no two marts next to each other will sell similar stock on the same days. Used to be a hassle when deals would buy cows in Drumshanbo and have them in Mohill the next day & sale wasn't closed from the night before.

To add to your post, some marts are better for specific types (heard Dowra is a better place than Carrigallen for a Black LM/AA.
On the next day sale, I personally hate looking up at the board seeing in herd a few days.
Thought in my head how much did last person lose by

+1

kk.man

kk.man wrote: »

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Lady Haywire wrote: »

I've known auctioneers to refuse bids but only cause the bidders were
a) known to be over their buy limit & had to pay before more animals bought
b) drunk off their tits
c) both of the above
d) had left unpaid bills in other marts

Lots of marts around here, weanlings on Sat in Carrigallen, Mon night is general sale.
Wed nights is weanlings in Mohill, Sat is general sale.
Dowra is Sat for general cattle as well I think, know they've a sale Sat anyway!
Drumshanbo is Friday nights for general stock, known to be a dealers mart but I find the cow trade to be good in it.
Thursdays is general sale in Ballymote & Friday is weanlings, only weekday sale of weanlings I know to be sorta close.

So it's sorta spaced out, no two marts next to each other will sell similar stock on the same days. Used to be a hassle when deals would buy cows in Drumshanbo and have them in Mohill the next day & sale wasn't closed from the night before.

To add to your post, some marts are better for specific types (heard Dowra is a better place than Carrigallen for a Black LM/AA.
On the next day sale, I personally hate looking up at the board seeing in herd a few days.
Thought in my head how much did last person lose by

+1

And the F****** scavenger selling them.

patsy_mccabe

You really notice the difference in marts if you are out trying to buy a certain type of animal. Years ago we bought all 18 month stores in the autumn. We would have been in a few marts then every week. In the smaller marts, you could buy cheaper but only if a few of the well known larger buyers weren't there.

kerry cow

Seemly they have a buying sequence and have a understanding in allowing each other cattle

Lady Haywire

They do indeed, been at the ring with a few and they'd jostle about you got the one before, let me have this one etc etc. Then all fall out and one goes down at a big price cause one needed to show the other they had the biggest balls

kerry cow

Jobber pride has put them at a loss sometimes .

50HX

some mart managers are v good at bringing buyers..others couldn't be arsed
the older generation i think stick to one mart being better than another eg c/island

a fiddle going on in all marts anyway:D

Donegalforever

kerry cow wrote: »

Seemly they have a buying sequence and have a understanding in allowing each other cattle

That was also very noticeable a good few years ago in a mart near my location.
It was also plain to see that the Auctioneer was in cahoots with Dealers and a few chosen others. He was always talking to certain individuals before the Sales commenced.
Thankfully he is no longer an Auctioneer in this locality.

milligan2

kerry cow wrote: »

Jobber pride has put them at a loss sometimes .

They are like the vultures in the Serengeti,a necessary evil.Know a few, wouldn’t wish them on my worst enemy!

kerry cow

I still would pick any mart on a bad day than to have to sell at home .
I thank God that I didn't have to do what my forefathers had to do and go into town stand all day at a fair , try and make a sale , drink pints or spirits .what a load of crap to go through.
At least with a good or even a bad animal you'll get a buyer in minutes and off home you go with the marts .

patsy_mccabe

Ah ya, the marts were a Godsend. The dealers tried to boycott them in the early days. That didn't last long.:D

Count Mondego

I tried buying off done deal and it's a disaster. The seller has to make no effort, hasn't transported the stock, just opens the front gate. They usually have an unrealistic price in their heads whereas at the Mart the market dictates.

patsy_mccabe

Donedeal - This is the text I saw on an add only yesterday;

..Please don't waste my time or ur own asking me to put a price on her...ring only if interested in acquiring a genuine top quality breeding heifer.
https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/pirate-x-jupiter/17221957

Who in their right mind would ring this guy?

Who2

A lot of the issue is when a lads looking at his own cattle they can be with rose tinted glasses. I've often got a shock when I'd bring my weanlings out both on the weight and quality when they are in side by side with top quality animals. Often my top quality becomes average very quick. And I'd be fond of going to the marts. I'd always ask myself the question would I pay that for them and the answers more often no than yes.

Who2

Well I hate to say it but it sounds about the money for them, going on this years trade. I've seen plenty of nice 400kg stock hard pushed to make 800. And I've bought some real good cow makers for between 8-900 that would have cost 1200 last year. I sold limo an ch bull weanlings that I wasn't one bit happy about. They got worse in price and have got better but I made the decision to sell them that day so they are gone. If you know your animals were a bit short, then try correct the breeding, the only way a lad can stay in sucklers imo is to try and breed the best.

Muckit

battle_on wrote: »

i sold two late march born weanling bulls ( red LMX ) weighing 305 kg in roscommon mart about a month ago , when i stepped into the sellers box , based on what went before i told the auctioneer i would be hoping to

Are they not on the market from the get go in Roscommon? I hear you need right good cattle for Roscommon mart or it's a waste of time. You might have had the weight but had you similar quality?

The market place be it the factory or mart can be a real eye opener. Buyers aren't fools. As a seller you need to know what you have and look for the price for quality you have.

A lot of lads on here over paranoid and conspiracy theories on why they aren't getting thr price they want. A bit of realism never went astray.

Lady Haywire

Muckit wrote: »

Are they not on the market from the get go in Roscommon? I hear you need right good cattle for Roscommon mart or it's a waste of time. You might have had the weight but had you similar quality?

The market place be it the factiry or nart i

Yep, Roscommon is the place for U/E grades. Told a chap I dehorn for to bring his there last year as he was always giving off about not getting enough for his stock (and they are lovely!) Well he raved about the mart for days after selling, no other mart for him now!

Sure everyone has a price in their head for stock but there's not many that will accept that maybe they need to take off the rose tinted glasses and weigh up their stock accurately. Maybe find others like it in the sale before you and see how they fare. Only reason I don't sell more at home is because I would find it very difficult to gauge a reasonable price that's proportionate to the current market & quality.
Brought in a 3rd person the last few times to give a price, fairest way we could think of.

kerry cow

If electronic button bidding comes in with online biding , would that cut out the crap and also allow outside bidders ??

kerry cow

Another thing I see , is that if a cow comes in , why does auctioneers say 600 , 500, 400 all in one breath .then starts at 380 and eventually ends at 550.
Like a good auctuoneer or buyer at that matter should start 50 under the end price and stop the messing .
It takes up so much unnecessary time wasting .
Like are they both such bad judges of livestock even they do it day in day out .
Imo they should create a culture of a cow that is worth 550 should not start below 450 or just pass her by .it all a load of bolx

Lady Haywire

Then go to a mart with a good auctioneer and tell him you're not starting her off below X amount. As long as your head isn't in the clouds wih Euro signs flashing he should be able to do that.

kerry cow

When I go to mart now I say I want 500 euro .keep going till you get near it or if it falls to me I will take it home .
I sold 15 cows recently and it worked a treat .
Don't be afraid to take it home .
It could be worth 1000 extra in 15 cattle

Lady Haywire

kerry cow wrote: »

When I go to mart now I say I want 500 euro .keep going till you get near it or if it falls to me I will take it home .
I sold 15 cows recently and it worked a treat .
Don't be afraid to take it home .
It could be worth 1000 extra in 15 cattle

So you're happy, the buyer is happy. What was your issue in the first place?

patsy_mccabe

I think every mart needs some guy to start all cattle. Cuts out a lot of wasted time bidding, that's for sure. It's usually an older respected dealer that knows the value of everything.

croot

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

I think every mart needs some guy to start all cattle. Cuts out a lot of wasted time bidding, that's for sure. It's usually an older respected dealer that knows the value of everything.

I don’t really get what is going on with opening bids sometimes. I had an AA weanling bull at the mart this autumn. He was 410kgs and In fairness the auctioneer tried to open him at 750. No takers until he went down to 550. And then 10 minutes of bidding until he sold for 880. Just seems like an awful lot of talking from the auctioneer for nothing.

kerry cow

That's my piont I think the seller should open him at a realistic price , if there's no takers leave him out .

50HX

kerry cow wrote: »

That's my piont I think the seller should open him at a realistic price , if there's no takers leave him out .

that's fine if you are willing to take animal home

some people would have left him off at 750 in that case....only one winner there then

i now only go to the mart if i know i can come home if not happy...i.e don't wait til you have to get out of stock (not ever1 can do that though)

croot

kerry cow wrote: »

That's my piont I think the seller should open him at a realistic price , if there's no takers leave him out .

But he sold for 880. If he didn’t get over 850 he wouldn’t have been sold. In reality I don’t care how long it takes to sell as long as it gets there. I’d be shooting myself in the foot if I threw a hissy fit when he didn’t open high enough and brought him home.

cute geoge

It is hard to get lads to bid if animals are opened too high ,the reality is the buyers have plenty of choice and are more likely only pay over the odds if they get carried away when bidding .I have often only started to bid on a lot when the price is very low opening bids .Any good auctioneer has the knack of pulling the bidder along until an acceptable price is reached .on any given day a jobber will buy some cheap but will overpay for more ,The jobbers as big as crooks they are will not shy away from driving cattle into inflated prices,this is all part and parcel of the charm of marts.I always get excited bidding and it is not that easy to know when to stop will you wait for the latter lots and go home empty maybe!!!!

kk.man

It's best to go home with an empty trailer than a dear trailer.

Muckit

croot wrote: »

I don’t really get what is going on with opening bids sometimes. I had an AA weanling bull at the mart this autumn. He was 410kgs and In fairness the auctioneer tried to open him at 750. No takers until he went down to 550. And then 10 minutes of bidding until he sold for 880. Just seems like an awful lot of talking from the auctioneer for nothing.

That's the auctioneer fault. He shoild open gate if bids not coming. It mart manager fault if he is let tocontinue doing this

Hard Knocks

Muckit wrote: »

That's the auctioneer fault. He shoild open gate if bids not coming. It mart manager fault if he is let tocontinue doing this

Sadly neither wish to rock the boat, they’d rather lose an unhappy seller than an unhappy (regular) buyer.

Cavanjack

Muckit wrote: »

Are they not on the market from the get go in Roscommon? I hear you need right good cattle for Roscommon mart or it's a waste of time. You might have had the weight but had you similar quality?

The market place be it the factory or mart can be a real eye opener. Buyers aren't fools. As a seller you need to know what you have and look for the price for quality you have.



A lot of lads on here over paranoid and conspiracy theories on why they aren't getting thr price they want. A bit of realism never went astray.

Think they are on the market from the get go in Roscommon but the hammer doesn't fall until the seller says so. Manys the animal not sold in Roscommon.

Green&Red

I had a few bullocks go last week in a Mart. Wrong weight put up for two and the wrong breed for another. I was fuming.
Was stuck between paying to bring them home or letting them go cheap
I rang the manager on Monday and he said to call into him and he’ll sort me out

On the title I’d always prefer to sell in the yard. Especially in spring, cattle out to grass and looking well

Base price

kerry cow wrote: »

In kerry and you hear all the nonsense about don't go to this mart and go to that mart and more say sell on done deal at home .
Is there in fact a mart out there so much better than another ??
If so then we should all buy in A and resell in B mart
Also all these buyers are therefore fools not to go and buy in the so called cheaper mart .
Who's who and what's what

TBH I prefer to sell from home be it an ad on Done Deal, the local Newspaper or repeat customers. I haven't bought an animal in a mart in nearly 10 years and I don't intend on doing so in the near future. I buy directly ex farm - one movement, rear them and sell them on - two movements and that system works for me.
TBH I couldn't afford to spend hours hauling stock to the local marts, splitting batches/numbers, waiting for my turn standing in the sellers box and on top of it all ye have commission to pay- feuk that.
Nor could I afford to spend hours at the ringside trying to buy numbers of stock. That sorta of thing is ok for lads/lassies who are been paid by factories as agents.

J.O. Farmer

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Donedeal - This is the text I saw on an add only yesterday;

..Please don't waste my time or ur own asking me to put a price on her...ring only if interested in acquiring a genuine top quality breeding heifer.
https://www.donedeal.ie/beefcattle-for-sale/pirate-x-jupiter/17221957

Who in their right mind would ring this guy?

I don't know was he selling her or giving her away.
He didn't want to waste time putting a price on her so maybe he was just looking for a good home for her.

In reality is more of everybody's time not going to be wasted with people going to look at the heifer and then deciding she was out of their budget or too dear.

I can never understand why they won't put a price up and either leave themselves a bit room for negotiation or put what they have to get and stick with it. Either way you'll only get customers willing to pay most of your asking price if the animal is what they want.