Silage Wagon hire/Cutting in Wexford 2018

Byrnie55483

Well just wondering , am thinking of hiring a silage wagon next summer , to do our own silage and few neighbouring farmers, would preferably like a large wagon similar to what contractors are operating . Aneyone any clue what are the rates for hiring a wagon ( I will be using my own tractor to drive it ) also was thinking of charging €80 a acre to mow rake, cut and roll pit? Is that a fair price ? Am based in Wexford.

Mooooo

Byrnie55483 wrote: »

Well just wondering , am thinking of hiring a silage wagon next summer , to do our own silage and few neighbouring farmers, would preferably like a large wagon similar to what contractors are operating . Aneyone any clue what are the rates for hiring a wagon ( I will be using my own tractor to drive it ) also was thinking of charging €80 a acre to mow rake, cut and roll pit? Is that a fair price ? Am based in Wexford.

Shir with all the gear you have already you could surely figure out running costs and margin?

Byrnie55483

Mooooo wrote: »

Shir with all the gear you have already you could surely figure out running costs and margin?

Got out of self propelled as too much factors as diesel and wages so are just downgrading to as minimum equipment as possible. Also jusy testing the water as to what people are charged for wagon silage!!

Grueller

And all those hundreds of cows

Byrnie55483

Grueller wrote: »

And all those hundreds of cows

Cows are all gone to clohamon , due to the unavailability of land around , please refrain from showing your thickness and only contribute if you have anything useful to add to thread! As if you want start acting your shoe size inbox me

Grueller

Byrnie55483 wrote: »

Cows are all gone to clohamon , due to the unavailability of land around , please refrain from showing your thickness and only contribute if you have anything useful to add to thread! As if you want start acting your shoe size inbox me

You are the gift that keeps giving

Byrnie55483

Grueller wrote: »

You are the gift that keeps giving

There's always one special person in the crowd , and you are that one really special person

Floki

Byrnie55483 wrote: »

There's always one special person in the crowd , and you are that one really special person

Oh chill out. We were all young once and prone to exaggeration.

Charge whatever leaves you with an acceptable margin.

davidk1394

At 80 an acre you'll be a busy fool and all you'll get are the cowboys who just see another fella to ride (not literally). A wagon like that will be 50-60 k depending on make and spec. You'll need around 180hp if your going up hills. Suir Way were selling and hiring out wagons but their gone now.

I'm young aswell and often think of ideas but this one is a non runner especially at those prices. This is exactly the reason why so many contractors are up to their eyes in debt

Byrnie55483

davidk1394 wrote: »

At 80 an acre you'll be a busy fool and all you'll get are the cowboys who just see another fella to ride (not literally). A wagon like that will be 50-60 k depending on make and spec. You'll need around 180hp if your going up hills. Suir Way were selling and hiring out wagons but their gone now.

I'm young aswell and often think of ideas but this one is a non runner especially at those prices. This is exactly the reason why so many contractors are up to their eyes in debt

Well if I was to get a wagon on finance for 5 year what would I want to be charging just for the use of the wagon itself to farmers as I have been offered at least 500 acres to cut first year out.

davidk1394

Byrnie55483 wrote: »

Well if I was to get a wagon on finance for 5 year what would I want to be charging just for the use of the wagon itself to farmers as I have been offered at least 500 acres to cut first year out.

To run a full kit you'll need at least 3 tractors, one with front linkage and a front mower. So that means you'll need 2 tractors around 200hp, 1 for the wagon and 1 with 2 mowers (no point going around with only a front mower) a small tractor on the rake 100hp and some kind of a loader like a 412 or equivalent. By the time their full of diesel and wages for drivers you'll have to charge at least 100-110 an acre to cover that plus insurance, wear and tear, replacement and most importantly money for you !!.

If you plan to go zero grazing aswell more than likely you'll actually need 2 wagons. Farmers are very fussy so to keep them happy you have to get each job done well.

tomwaterford

davidk1394 wrote: »

At 80 an acre you'll be a busy fool and all you'll get are the cowboys who just see another fella to ride (not literally). A wagon like that will be 50-60 k depending on make and spec. You'll need around 180hp if your going up hills. Suir Way were selling and hiring out wagons but their gone now.

I'm young aswell and often think of ideas but this one is a non runner especially at those prices. This is exactly the reason why so many contractors are up to their eyes in debt

Are suirway gone altogether??

Heard a lot of pottenger lads around the country weren't happy with em....they still had the billboard up last time I passed through carrick!

davidk1394

tomwaterford wrote: »

Are suirway gone altogether??

Heard a lot of pottenger lads around the country weren't happy with em....they still had the billboard up last time I passed through carrick!

Gave up totally on the farm machinery side but they still have fork lifts. They were under cutting the ****e out of the competitors. I was in there one day and there was a new wagon and rake heading up north. Sure how could you service that. All the pottengier dealers kicked up and wanted them gone

tomwaterford

davidk1394 wrote: »

Gave up totally on the farm machinery side but they still have fork lifts. They were under cutting the ****e out of the competitors. I was in there one day and there was a new wagon and rake heading up north. Sure how could you service that. All the pottengier dealers kicked up and wanted them gone

Heard similar of lads in clare and kerry kicking up and they were struggling to keep mechanics aswell (usual shiť of wages)


Know they came in 4K cheaper than a dealer down the country (out west) and it inevitably broke down, (not proper pdi?)...

lad went to the local dealer who they had left to get at suirway and your man told em bring it back to suirway,where it was bought and after wargaling with pottenger ireland they got it sorted...but took 10 days in middle of silage season :pac:

So can imagine it mustve been a proper headache for lads running the place

st1979

Well whether your dreaming or not your bang on the money at 80 an acre complete job. That is what people are paying plus vat or including depending where you are. 110 an acre is dream land prices and what self propelled lads charge. A wagon is cheaper to run than a sp. I used to hire in contractor to rake and pick up at 55 plus vat. Not huge cuts as I cut 3 times a year. But that was for first cut on 20th may. Have had 3 different people do it all same money. Most would say there is more money in that than a sp.

davidk1394

tomwaterford wrote: »

Heard similar of lads in clare and kerry kicking up and they were struggling to keep mechanics aswell (usual shiť of wages)


Know they came in 4K cheaper than a dealer down the country (out west) and it inevitably broke down, (not proper pdi?)...

lad went to the local dealer who they had left to get at suirway and your man told em bring it back to suirway,where it was bought and after wargaling with pottenger ireland they got it sorted...but took 10 days in middle of silage season :pac:

So can imagine it mustve been a proper headache for lads running the place

From my experiences with them and trying the tedder I wouldn't have much faith in them to be honest.

Byrnie55483

st1979 wrote: »

Well whether your dreaming or not your bang on the money at 80 an acre complete job. That is what people are paying plus vat or including depending where you are. 110 an acre is dream land prices and what self propelled lads charge. A wagon is cheaper to run than a sp. I used to hire in contractor to rake and pick up at 55 plus vat. Not huge cuts as I cut 3 times a year. But that was for first cut on 20th may. Have had 3 different people do it all same money. Most would say there is more money in that than a sp.

Yes as I have questioned a few customers around here about silage , and it seems to be either a €100 a acre it a hour , which seems bit over top as lads with sp are charging as little as €90. But the thing is it is proven that cows rather the long chop of a silage Wagon . This leads me to say are farmers wanting more efficiently of 2-3 hours cutting silage, rather than get good quality silage with a wagon! which might take a bit longer but improve yields?!

freedominacup

Byrnie55483 wrote: »

Yes as I have questioned a few customers around here about silage , and it seems to be either a €100 a acre it a hour , which seems bit over top as lads with sp are charging as little as €90. But the thing is it is proven that cows rather the long chop of a silage Wagon . This leads me to say are farmers wanting more efficiently of 2-3 hours cutting silage, rather than get good quality silage with a wagon! which might take a bit longer but improve yields?!

There's no difference between the quality of silage produced by the various harvesting methods. $hit in $hit out and vise versa.

charolais0153

freedominacup wrote: »

There's no difference between the quality of silage produced by the various harvesting methods. $hit in $hit out and vise versa.

Do intakes increases with shorter chop length

Byrnie55483

But whatever the difference between short or long chop , what would most farmers in your area go for ?

tomwaterford

Byrnie55483 wrote: »

But whatever the difference between short or long chop , what would most farmers in your area go for ?

Short as it's easier taken out...about here anyways?

PeterCasey

Byrnie55483 wrote: »

Got out of self propelled as too much factors as diesel and wages so are just downgrading to as minimum equipment as possible. Also jusy testing the water as to what people are charged for wagon silage!!

Would you not go for a baler wrapper I am sure in Wexford there is plenty of straw to collect up during the harvest.You would cover more ground than with a forage wagon. I have a McHale between wrapped silage, hay, straw, I do about 25000 bales a year.