Poll: M28 Cork-Ringaskiddy - do you support it? (NO chat)

marno21

This is a thread where you can express your opinion on whether the divisive M28 motorway should go ahead or not.

This is not a chat thread; there are threads for chat

One post per user:

1. Do you agree with the need for an Cork-Ringaskiddy motorway?
2. Do you support the M28 plan as submitted to An Bord Pleanala?
3. Why do you support/not support the M28 plan?
4a. If you support the M28, are there any changes to the proposal you would make?
OR
4b. If you do not support the M28, what do you believe is the alternative?

Again, one post per user please with your responses and we can discuss in the other thread

boardsuser1

Yes i agree that the M28 is needed
Yes i agree with the ABP proposal
I agree with it as it is the best and most viable route available.
No changes that come to mind off hand, will edit if i feel there are.

Ludo

1. Yes/No. Cork to Carrigaline, yes to a DC. No need for a motorway (which it turns out they aren't building anyway). Carriagaline to Ringaskiddy does not need a motorway either. A good quality road would suffice which is already there in some parts.

2. Generally yes.

3. I feel not enough has been done to give residents assurances on noise reduction measures and the like. I am not that familiar with the road near the Ringaskiddy end, but I think there are some issues that need addressing there. On the other hand they did at least put back in the Mount Oval off ramp which would have been disastrous to traffic on the Rochestown Road to remove.

4. My opinion is that it should take in a connection to the airport in some way. It seems a bit of the default option to simply upgrade an existing route. Maybe a bit more imagination is required. Now don't get me wrong. This MAY well be the best option when everything is taken into account. Very wishy washy I know, but I can honestly see valid points on both sides. I strongly disagree with the steering group but I also strongly disagree with the one sided opinions presented as facts on here and the name calling.

Aontachtoir

1. Yes. I live on Maryborough Hill and know that the current N28 has not been fit for purpose for over a decade.

2/3. Yes. HQDC is appropriate and justified, and given the density of agricultural business in this area, motorway restrictions are essential to ensure traffic flows smoothly from Cork to Carrigaline and onwards to Ringaskiddy. Alternative routes suggested (such as connecting Ringaskiddy to Cork Airport) would be nice in the future as part of a southern orbital (if the N27 and Kinsale Road Roundabout are upgraded to handle the extra traffic) but are unfeasible at the moment. The suggestion that an outer southern orbital should be built instead of the desperately required upgrade of the N28 is unreasonable.

4. I would increase the speed limit on the road to 120 km/h once the M28 leaves the Mulcon Valley. This may already be the case though.

kub

1. Absolutely the M28 is required. No harm in it being of motorway standard, a little bit of forward planning for a change in this country.
I find my support actually increased due to the lies and rubbish the NIMBY brigade were broadcasting.

2. I support fully the plan as submitted to ABP.

3. The current road is not fit for purpose, the slip from Maryborough Hill to it is too tight, it would seem that the existing road is suitable for traffic levels from 25 years ago.
I have seen entrances to houses wider than this road at the point beyond Carrs Hill towards Carrigaline/ Ringaskiddy.
The container terminal is moving to Ringaskiddy, this upgrade is essential.
The population of Carrigaline/ Crosshaven and all other villages/ towns down that way is only increasing and will continue to do so.

4. As i support it, the only change I would suggest might be to have the speed limit at the usual motorway one.

Middle Man

1. Do you agree with the need for a Cork-Ringaskiddy motorway?
Absolutely!

2. Do you support the M28 plan as submitted to An Bord Pleanala?
Yes!

3. Why do you support/not support the M28 plan?
It is in line with proper planning practices - this road is a link to one of Ireland's premier ports (strategic gateway to Ireland), a major industrial area plus an urban growth centre of 15,000+.

4a. If you support the M28, are there any changes to the proposal you would make?
Get rid of the off-slip to Mouth Oval (from a National Primary Road to a residential area) altogether - this is simply laughable IMO.

tipperary

1. Do you agree with the need for an Cork-Ringaskiddy motorway?
Yes
2. Do you support the M28 plan as submitted to An Bord Pleanala?
Yes, with some resrvations - see below
3. Why do you support/not support the M28 plan?
Road not fit for purpose for existing traffic, never mind projected traffic growth and port traffic
4a. If you support the M28, are there any changes to the proposal you would make?
Increase capacity of M28 to M40 junction eastbound - EIS shows queues here will be worse once port traffic moves to this road

AugustusMinimus

1. Do you agree with the need for an Cork-Ringaskiddy motorway? Yes. AADT on this route are way above what is required for Motorway/HQDC. Road is needed both for residents of Carrigaline and for industry present in Ringaskiddy.

2. Do you support the M28 plan as submitted to An Bord Pleanala? Yes. However, the original plan of having a connector road from the new Carr’s Hill interchange to the very top of Maryborough Hill should have been maintained.

3. Why do you support/not support the M28 plan? I support it because as a resident of Douglas, the scheme with its change of junctions has the possibility of making huge changes to local traffic movements. It will also play into the long awaited Bridge Scheme over the Ballybrack Stream which in effect will provide Donnybrook and Grange access to the M28 and dramatically improve local traffic flow.

The scheme will also return the old N28 to the people. The old N28 can then be upgraded with cycle lanes and paths and can be used for residential development etc. Cycling from Carrigaline to Cork at the moment is nothing short of dangerous given what the present road is like. The possibility for commercial and industrial development in Ringaskiddy is also hugely boosted at a time when a motorway to Foynes isn’t seeing any opposition.

4a. If you support the M28, are there any changes to the proposal you would make? Link Carrs Hill Interchsnge to the very top of Maryborough Hill again. Should probably have been dualled for the entire scheme.

Leonard Hofstadter

1. Do you agree with the need for an Cork-Ringaskiddy motorway?

Yes, hurry the hell up and get it built, we need this infrastructure to make sure Cork is able to compete with Dublin and so that Cork can be a strong and dynamic city in its own right.

2. Do you support the M28 plan as submitted to An Bord Pleanala?

Yes, definitely!

3. Why do you support/not support the M28 plan?

The current road is clearly unsuitable and way over capacity. The proposed routing is the quickest way to get between Cork and Ringaskiddy. It will transform access between the city and Ringaskiddy, not to mention Crosshaven and Carrigaline. Even from an environmental point it makes sense, there could be express bus services between the city and Crosshaven/Carrigaline and Ringaskiddy and that would encourage more people to travel by public transport between the city and these places.

4a. If you support the M28, are there any changes to the proposal you would make?

Increase the speed limit to 120 km/h (although on such a short road the time savings from travelling at a higher speed will be minimal). Consider some sort of high quality link road between Carrigaline and the Airport, I completely disagree with those objecting to using this as the actual route for the M28 but they are right to point out that there should be a good quality road between Carrigaline and the Airport given how many people work up there, so it would help take some pressure off the Bloomfield interchange and magic roundabout.

markodaly

1. Do you agree with the need for an Cork-Ringaskiddy motorway?

Yes,

2. Do you support the M28 plan as submitted to An Bord Pleanala?

Yes,

3. Why do you support/not support the M28 plan?

I want to see sensible national development in Ireland. Dublin is bursting at the seems so we need as a nation to have better spacial planning both in Dublin (Better Transport/Urban Rail/Metro/High Rise) and in cities like Cork (Road Development, Better Bus services, Docklands development) so that we can build units or homes that are affordable, close to public transport and jobs without having to be stuck in traffic for hours.

4a. If you support the M28, are there any changes to the proposal you would make?

Possibly changing the Ringaskiddy part but that can be a minor change to the overall plan. The route should remain the same, no matter what the steering group has to say.

_Kaiser_

marno21 wrote: »

1. Do you agree with the need for an Cork-Ringaskiddy motorway?
2. Do you support the M28 plan as submitted to An Bord Pleanala?
3. Why do you support/not support the M28 plan?
4a. If you support the M28, are there any changes to the proposal you would make?
OR
4b. If you do not support the M28, what do you believe is the alternative?

1/2: Yes

3. I am in that area regularly and the existing N28 is completely insufficient for the volume of traffic using this road between the N40 junction and Carrigaline. It's also in very bad physical state but these problems cannot simply be addressed by a fresh bit of tarmac. The merge from Douglas to Carrigaline can be very dangerous also with insufficient merging room coupled with aggressive drivers on the mainline (not to mention the ridiculous 80 km/h signage right before you join the mainline which is moving at 100 km/h).

4. No. To be fair, I don't live in the area so I don't see the detail but as above, it (and indeed the N40 itself IMO) are just not up to the demands of the traffic using it and the projected increases as Carrigaline grows further and the port expands. As a wider point we need to get away from parochial and selfish interests delaying or neutering key infrastructure projects in this country anyway.

SeanW

1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. I support the provision of appropriate infrastructure. Ireland is way behind where it needs to be. The N/M28 upgrade is just a small part of what is required.
4. Maybe make it motorway the whole way? Maybe I'm reading the plans wrong (or not understanding them correctly in the context of the proposals for the port) but it looks like the motorway ends some distance before the N28 does continuing as single carriageway with roundabouts.

marno21

MOD: Bumping this thread for anyone who hasn't partaken. No chat rule still applies

BelfastVanMan

Yes.

Chris_5339762

1. Do you agree with the need for an Cork-Ringaskiddy motorway?
YES

2. Do you support the M28 plan as submitted to An Bord Pleanala?
YES

3. Why do you support/not support the M28 plan?
Its badly needed. Traffic there is ludicrous for various reasons and the current road is a cart track.

4a. If you support the M28, are there any changes to the proposal you would make?
In a post brexit world, I'd actually run the motorway (or a grade seperated road) right into the port, a la Calais. No interaction between HGVs and Ferry traffic with the local roads, AT ALL.

Cork Trucker

i'm overwhelmingly in favour.

ianobrien

To answer the questions.

1. Yes, absolutely. I work in Ringaskiddy and see the problems the congestion on the current road network causes.

2. Yes as it's the best compromise between users, residents of Rochestown, Carrigaline and expected demand. Here's the kick. Carrs Hill is now so bad that when I'm heading to work from West of Cork City I now go through Ballygarvin. The NIMBY's "preferred" route would suit me heading to work ideally, but I can see that it's not the best route from town (imagine the bedlam at the Kinsale Rd junction). Hence I support the route and when it's built, I'll probably stop using the Ballygarvin rat-run.

3. The road is needed. I have regularly wasted the best part of 45 minutes trying to get from Ringaskiddy to the South Link. New plants and expansions are being delayed because of the current road network. How much is wasted in time and money from people sitting in traffic?

4. As others have said, I'd have the motorway into the port and get rid of the Mt Oval exit. I'd also examine the Carrigaline exit to future proof it for the building of a Carrigaline bypass (that's been muted on other threads).

spacetweek

Yes I fully support it, but only because of the transition to electrified transport. It wouldn't be acceptable to put a truck access route through suburbia considering how damaging to human health diesel emissions are. By the time this motorway is built (mid-2020s), we should be well on the way.

tharlear

Yes, fully support building  it. It forms part of a national motorway system that connect our cities and ports. As an island it is imperative that our major port have proper motorway access. Cork handles approx. 18 to20% of goods handle by Irish ports. https://www.cso.ie/multiquicktables/quickTables.aspx?id=tba07.
If the M20 is ever built it, exporting through cork will be a viable option for all western counties. Sure fish from Galway may even go through Cork if the m20 and Galway bypass are built.

highwaymaniac

1. Do you agree with the need for an Cork-Ringaskiddy motorway?
YES

2. Do you support the M28 plan as submitted to An Bord Pleanala?
YES

3. Why do you support/not support the M28 plan?

Existing road is dangerously substandard. Vital for the Port of Cork and continued growth of the strategic employment zone in Ringaskiddy.

4a. If you support the M28, are there any changes to the proposal you would make?

Motorway all the way to the port. Needs to be future proofed. Remove Mount Oval slip road really shouldn't have a motorway diverge straight into a housing estate.