what to serve AA cross heifers to

Wessel3

doing a bit of thinking and wondering what to breed AA heifers from dairy cows to, not near that age but just wondering peoples thoughts, if it would be worth serving to AA straw or am I wasting my time

feartuath

I have 3 and used my stock easy calver limousine.
They have plenty of milk.
Neighbour has 25 running with Hereford bull.

simx

Wessel3 wrote: »

doing a bit of thinking and wondering what to breed AA heifers from dairy cows to, not near that age but just wondering peoples thoughts, if it would be worth serving to AA straw or am I wasting my time

Gave a few eby here

blue5000

I use an aubrac on aa heifers, easy calving. If they have 5 stars they might sell just as well not in calf next year, people are cutting back on suckler cow numbers but still need 5 star animals. But next year who knows what the market will be like?

Bellview

What age you calving them as depending on size and using angus mogeely Joe if normal size heifers or bunlahy John g if really strong heifers as he is a relatively hard calver...

simx

Bellview wrote: »

What age you calving them as depending on size and using angus mogeely Joe if normal size heifers or bunlahy John g if really strong heifers as he is a relatively hard calver...

I've seen mogeely joe calves now ya mention it and are nice sorts I thought

Mooooo

Blonde be any good or would they be too risky for heifers?

patsy_mccabe

Saler might be a safe option for calving ease.

cute geoge

what about shorthorn

Base price

cute geoge wrote: »

what about shorthorn

I'm in a similar situation as Wessel, have one heifer and another that calved last week and was trying to select a breed for them.
I'm fond of shorthorn. Any recommendation for a easy calving bull from PG.

mahoney_j

Wessel3 wrote: »

doing a bit of thinking and wondering what to breed AA heifers from dairy cows to, not near that age but just wondering peoples thoughts, if it would be worth serving to AA straw or am I wasting my time

I have some this year and they were served by my aubrac bull calving in February at just over 23 months

Who2

serve them on a plate. they arent the right cow for suckler breeding.

farawaygrass

Mooooo wrote: »

Blonde be any good or would they be too risky for heifers?

I have aa heifers, suckler bred, calving to a blonde next March.fingers crossed!

mahoney_j

Who2 wrote: »

serve them on a plate. they arent the right cow for suckler breeding.

They’ll be the finest if Larry says they are and beef is scarce !

Wessel3

Who2 wrote: »

serve them on a plate. they arent the right cow for suckler breeding.

thanks for this , I thought the milk from the dairy would have came through or at least a half anyeway

tanko

Wessel3 wrote: »

thanks for this , I thought the milk from the dairy would have came through or at least a half anyeway

They'll have lots of milk, that wont be a problem with them anyway.
Some might say they'd lack a bit of muscle to make good cows, depends what type of an Angus bull they're out of i suppose.

lakill Farm

Bulled 9 Aax heifers last winter with a PBNR AA bull.

Never had to touch a calf when calving. All calves up and sucking in 30 mins and the mothers all big bags of milk. One calf was 4 weeks early and tiny when born. And couldn’t catch the fecker after 20 mins

Thinking might bull them this time to aubrac bull and double suck them this time next year.

Wessel3

lakill that's what I was thinking , possibly gain the beef back from the sire with milk already there?

Floki

lakill Farm wrote: »

Bulled 9 Aax heifers last winter with a PBNR AA bull.

Never had to touch a calf when calving. All calves up and sucking in 30 mins and the mothers all big bags of milk. One calf was 4 weeks early and tiny when born. And couldn’t catch the fecker after 20 mins

Thinking might bull them this time to aubrac bull and double suck them this time next year.

The yanks criss cross the Angus and Hereford breeds.
They'd be bigger into the non assistance calving than here and calving outdoors.
You'd end up with a black whitehead Polly (polled) but it doesn't bother them.
Meat quality is supposed to be very good.

Might be an option for more part timers wanting a trouble free system.

lakill Farm

I see. Never thought of a Hereford to be honest. I was going for 100% easi calving. I use to check them at 12 midnight and neighbour use to check them at 530/6 when having a mug of tae before he headed for work. Team effort

Floki wrote: »

The yanks criss cross the Angus and Hereford breeds.
They'd be bigger into the non assistance calving than here and calving outdoors.
You'd end up with a black whitehead Polly (polled) but it doesn't bother them.
Meat quality is supposed to be very good.

Might be an option for more part timers wanting a trouble free system.

Hard Knocks

lakill Farm wrote: »

I see. Never thought of a Hereford to be honest. I was going for 100% easi calving. I use to check them at 12 midnight and neighbour use to check them at 530/6 when having a mug of tae before he headed for work. Team effort

Floki wrote: »

The yanks criss cross the Angus and Hereford breeds.
They'd be bigger into the non assistance calving than here and calving outdoors.
You'd end up with a black whitehead Polly (polled) but it doesn't bother them.
Meat quality is supposed to be very good.

Might be an option for more part timers wanting a trouble free system.

Don’t just look at Calving difficulty if keeping offspring, also look at daughter calving difficulty

Willfarman

Keep the mindset that you have to be producing a calf that's worth at least€300 more than what a middle of the road friesian cow crossed to a beef beef bull. And that isn't going to be an Angus or Hereford. Limousine is the only real option.

lakill Farm

Willfarman wrote: »

Keep the mindset that you have to be producing a calf that's worth at least€300 more than what a middle of the road friesian cow crossed to a beef beef bull. And that isn't going to be an Angus or Hereford. Limousine is the only real option.

Strong possibility I’ll be offloading these in 12 months

Dickie10

not a hope of making money offloading. youn have to finish these type to make a few pound. look up on youtube. a hereford out of angus will be finshed off grass, no meal bill or very little. i run limo with my angus cross, you get very meaty smaller limoosuin finsh easy. but i found the limo out of whitehead a lovely cross, looks a bit like a simmental half whitehead but finish very quick , will be mud fat at 24 months. usually come into 1350 average prices say 3:90

patsy_mccabe

Black Baldies they call them in the US.

Floki

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Black Baldies they call them in the US.

And then they can 3 way cross them with Gelbvieh or American Simmental.

Gelbvieh is a new breed on me. Never heard of it before till tonight.

grassroot1

Floki wrote: »

The yanks criss cross the Angus and Hereford breeds.
They'd be bigger into the non assistance calving than here and calving outdoors.
You'd end up with a black whitehead Polly (polled) but it doesn't bother them.
Meat quality is supposed to be very good.

Might be an option for more part timers wanting a trouble free system.

They call them black baldies
sorry patsy missed your post

Floki

grassroot1 wrote: »

They call them black baldies

I heard that alright.:pac:

Bit racist though.

More on Gelbvieh's.

grassroot1

Floki wrote: »

And then they can 3 way cross them with Gelbvieh or American Simmental.

Gelbvieh is a new breed on me. Never heard of it before till tonight.

Gelbvieh were one of the origional source breeds for the stabliser breed
I have seen Glebvieh for sale on donedeal in the north of Ireland

Who2

I'd be more inclined to sell your aa heifers and buy in a few limo or sim heifers instead. Sim if your going with a ch bull and limo for most other types of bull. I really don't or can't see much of benefit with aa. Your starting to breed a low value animal to produce a weanlings in a process that barely turns a pound. At least with the other breeds you've a better chance of hitting at least a few high prices.

cacs

Base price wrote: »

I'm in a similar situation as Wessel, have one heifer and another that calved last week and was trying to select a breed for them.
I'm fond of shorthorn. Any recommendation for a easy calving bull from PG.

My view on this don’t be greedy the first year if your calfing at 24 months I would go aa or saler depending on the heifer. Get an alive calf out your already ahead