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Rule 4 dispute

  • 26-10-2017 1:00pm
    #1
    HarshOstrich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭


    I'm having a dispute with my bookmaker over a rule 4 deduction in the 5.20 at pontefract on Monday.
    I included the winner van gerwin in a lucky 31 and taken the price,I placed my bet at 10.12 and at 10.15 a horse withdrew causing a 10 cent rule 4 which I don't dispute.
    Around the time of the race 2 horses are withdrawn and this is where the dispute is, as when I placed my bet at 10.12 both the newly withdrawn horses where 10/1,11/1 and in the 5 cent category, my bookmaker disputes that whatever price the horse was when withdrawn should count towards what rule 4 was applied in this case both where about 7/1 and in the 10 cent category.
    Also I backed the same horse in a single with powers and they have proven to me that 20 cent is the rule 4 in this case and that I'm correct.
    Is there any wording out there in rule 4s that confirms what I'm saying because me and the bookmaker are going to go through a lengthy dispute process.
    Any help would be much appreciated.


Comments

  • #2
    posturingpat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,722 ✭✭✭posturingpat


    I'm guessing Powers made a mistake, Rule 4's based on price at time of withdrawal as far as i know.
    Kevin blake had an article about it a few months back.
    http://www.attheraces.com/blogs/kevin-blake/06-January-2017


  • #3
    realdanbreen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,359 ✭✭✭realdanbreen


    Just wondering is the difference because one is a multiple bet and the other a single bet? I know that if you take a price in a multiple you wont get best price when he wins.


  • #4
    HarshOstrich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭HarshOstrich


    Obviously I want powers to be correct as it will be in my favour with the other bookmaker but after reading posturing pats evidence my case seems hard to argue, but I can't believe that paddy power got this rule 4 wrong, they are the biggest bookmaker in the business.
    The guy in the shop phoned somebody and told them my dispute and had him look into the rule 4 and the reply was the rule 4 is time stamped from when I put on the bet.
    I have a pic taken from paddy powers screen, I will try upload it.


  • #5
    Peintre Celebre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,484 ✭✭✭Peintre Celebre


    Rule four is done according to price at the time of withdrawal. Regardless really what they were at the time of placing the bet


  • #6
    byronbay2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭byronbay2


    Peintre Celebre wrote: »
    Rule four is done according to price at the time of withdrawal. Regardless really what they were at the time of placing the bet

    Correct.

    Did you place your single bet with PP after the 1st horse was withdrawn at 10.15? That would explain why they only took a 20c R4.

    In any case, the price of the horse at time of withdrawal is ALWAYS used to decide a R4 deduction. It is a bit of a scam (surprise, surprise!) and can be very annoying if you backed anything at a short price but you will not win your argument with the bookie by pointing to the prices when your bet was placed.


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