legacy of Coveny ,and the performance of Creed :discuss

lalababa

Wondering about yer thoughts on this?

White Clover

lalababa wrote: »

Wondering about yer thoughts on this?

You first!!

kevthegaff

This stamp duty issue could be the making or breaking of him, hard to believe he wasn't briefed on it pre budget announcement

cute geoge

I did not have much time for coveny mostly false promises of opening live exports where as minister creed dropped vet fees which made some difference in live shipping this year .Should creed be giving benefit of doubt on change of stamp duty ,I would think he would have no say in matter anyway .The best thing creed can do is get as many calves and cattle as possible off in exports .If he does that then it will be more then most of his predecessers have done!!!

Panch18

Was it not Coveney that got the live exports back on track with Turkey etc?

I know they have ramped up a bit in the last year but I thought that was a Simon initiative? Or am I mistaken

Base price

Panch18 wrote: »

Was it not Coveney that got the live exports back on track with Turkey etc?

I know they have ramped up a bit in the last year but I thought that was a Simon initiative? Or am I mistaken

The only reason that Irish cattle are heading to Turkey is because of blue tongue in France.
http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/irish-cattle-exports-to-turkey-hinge-on-bluetongue-free-status-bord-bia/

alps

kevthegaff wrote: »

This stamp duty issue could be the making or breaking of him, hard to believe he wasn't briefed on it pre budget announcement

He had a family funeral, with someone very close to him, buried on Monday, the day before the budget. It could be very possible, though really despicable if it was, that this budget item was introduced over the weekend pre budget....

kk.man

I would think agricultural has little say and Creed wasn't told. However he should have fought hard to get it rescinded. Agricultural is not a heavy weight it once was and Pascal plus Leo will see to that.
Coveney was a bluffer but he worked his PR more effective than Creed.

kevthegaff

kk.man wrote:

I would think agricultural has little say and Creed wasn't told. However he should have fought hard to get it rescinded. Agricultural is not a heavy weight it once was and Pascal plus Leo will see to that. Coveney was a bluffer but he worked his PR more effective than Creed.

Really can't stand varadker, reckon he will be found out eventually. Always thought Coveney worked pr very well but lacked substance. don't get me started with Harris, the best political leader FG could have is currently in europe.

mycro2013

kevthegaff wrote: »

Really can't stand varadker, reckon he will be found out eventually. Always thought Coveney worked pr very well but lacked substance. don't get me started with Harris, the best political leader FG could have is currently in europe.

Who is that mairead mcguinness, they are all bluffers. But it shows that the opposition aren't up to much if they cant call them out on it. Coveney and varadker get an extremely easy pass with the press for some unknown reason.

tractorporn

mycro2013 wrote:

Who is that mairead mcguinness, they are all bluffers. But it shows that the opposition aren't up to much if they cant call them out on it. Coveney and varadker get an extremely easy pass with the press for some unknown reason.

They're afraid to say anything against him in case they will be accused of bigotry.

Birdnuts

mycro2013 wrote: »

Who is that mairead mcguinness, they are all bluffers. But it shows that the opposition aren't up to much if they cant call them out on it. Coveney and varadker get an extremely easy pass with the press for some unknown reason.

Both wear nice socks - what more do people want???!!!!!!!:pac:

Bass Reeves

Creed has got the stamp duty on family transfers virtually removed. Then you have to look at the way stamp duty impacts on the rest of farming. In reality this is on commercial transfers.

If you are bidding on a house, an animal or a tractor you need to take all costs into account. Recently I had this discussion with a tractor salesman over 15-20 year old 80-110 HP tractors imported from the UK. My point was that these tractors were generally targets at not vat registered market so being able to reclaim vat was immaterial. In reality with stamp duty it is virtually the same now. Most land sales are by those exiting farming so when buyers factor it in to the equation (and they are idiots if they do not) it is virtually revenue neutral to farming. It just happens that now you are giving about 5.7% of the cost to the state rather than the seller.

Bass Reeves

Panch18 wrote: »

Was it not Coveney that got the live exports back on track with Turkey etc?

I know they have ramped up a bit in the last year but I thought that was a Simon initiative? Or am I mistaken

I have to disagree entirely Covney chased china and optical illusions. Creed got the nitty gritty sorted.

MF4370

legacy
noun:
an amount of money or property left to someone in a will.

I’m sure Coveny will have a huge legacy, just like disgraced enda and noireen, both forced to quit their jobs and both received millions in “pensions”. No incentive for any of them to do anything because failure is an early massive payday for the rest of their lives.

Pidae.m

Coveney was very good at making himself look great to non farming people... how many photos did we see of him with Irish beef in New York?? The measly couple of bales of hay he imported in 2013. He never had any substance only about self promotion.

To be fair to Creed wheither he had anything to do with it ( I no he is friendly with one exporter) the cattle have started moving.

mycro2013

Pidae.m wrote: »

Coveney was very good at making himself look great to non farming people... how many photos did we see of him with Irish beef in New York?? The measly couple of bales of hay he imported in 2013. He never had any substance only about self promotion.

To be fair to Creed wheither he had anything to do with it ( I no he is friendly with one exporter) the cattle have started moving.

Plus the moment the going gets tough in housing he jumps ship to a cushy foreign affairs gig. Tis some country when two ministers with a history of failed briefs (Leo health and Simon housing) end up running the country. If these two are the best we are goosed. This current bank scandal will show their true colours. Although fine gaels history with dealing with banks doesn't bode well.

Politicians are only interested in number one, the days of in the country's interest are few and far it's all about self promotion with strategic photo shoots and pr press leaks.

Pidae.m

mycro2013 wrote: »

Plus the moment the going gets tough in housing he jumps ship to a cushy foreign affairs gig. Tis some country when two ministers with a history of failed briefs (Leo health and Simon housing) end up running the country. If these two are the best we are goosed. This current bank scandal will show their true colours. Although fine gaels history with dealing with banks doesn't bode well.

Politicians are only interested in number one, the days of in the country's interest are few and far it's all about self promotion with strategic photo shoots and pr press leaks.

To be fair I can’t remember anyone who hasn’t failed at health.

kevthegaff

Was talking about big phil

J.O. Farmer

Pidae.m wrote: »

To be fair I can’t remember anyone who hasn’t failed at health.

Health is a poisoned chalice. It'll take more money than any government can afford to put into it to fix. Brian Cowen probably wasn't far wrong describing it as Angola with landmines everywhere.

Even if by some miracle a minister managed to eliminate waiting lists, people on trolleys and managed to bring about a perfect health service most people wouldn't think they'd done anything.

The time most of us deal with the health service is when we're in bad form anyway so we'd still have complaints but that's immaterial as no government will invest the money.

Pidae.m

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Health is a poisoned chalice. It'll take more money than any government can afford to put into it to fix. Brian Cowen probably wasn't far wrong describing it as Angola with landmines everywhere.

Even if by some miracle a minister managed to eliminate waiting lists, people on trolleys and managed to bring about a perfect health service most people wouldn't think they'd done anything.

The time most of us deal with the health service is when we're in bad form anyway so we'd still have complaints but that's immaterial as no government will invest the money.

I’d a friend a nurse in a&e , she said we’ve just no help.
Again do I was up there one Tuesday night and it was wedged, asked the nurse is it always this busy on Tuesday??? Yes , shur today is dole day.

J.O. Farmer

Pidae.m wrote: »

I’d a friend a nurse in a&e , she said we’ve just no help.
Again do I was up there one Tuesday night and it was wedged, asked the nurse is it always this busy on Tuesday??? Yes , shur today is dole day.

Yeah you're probably right. The government won't put enough money in to employ the nurses among the many other problems in the health service.
Just to be clear the front line staff do a great job but if they're short staffed they can't get through the patients as quickly as would be ideal.

ganmo

Covney promised lots, tams glas bdgp and sheep welfare
Glas - computer system issues from day 1
Bgdp - icbf not told of the scheme until a week before it was announced

Sheep welfare - delayed

Tams - existing procedure that covney got funds for

Too early for creed yet

cute geoge

Tams and knowledge transfer are all tied up in red tape .If you were entitled to a grant before this, if it was completed to spec and paper work in order you got your grant in due course .Nowadays with tams unless every i is dotted and t is crossed you can forget about your grant.
Same goes for knowledge transfer by the time vets and advisers are paid ,the farmer is jumping trough hoops for nothing for himself ,
Farming is turning in to some joke alright with the minister we have in charge!!!

grassroot1

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Yeah you're probably right. The government won't put enough money in to employ the nurses among the many other problems in the health service.
Just to be clear the front line staff do a great job but if they're short staffed they can't get through the patients as quickly as would be ideal.

With respect nurses do little actual nursing anymore they just fill out piles of meaningless paperwork. Not for all the tea in China would I work in A/E

Buford T. Justice XIX

grassroot1 wrote: »

With respect nurses do little actual nursing anymore they just fill out piles of meaningless paperwork. Not for all the tea in China would I work in A/E

We wanted accountability and that comes with paperwork to assure that everything that should have been done, was done and on time and in the correct order.

Everything has a cost.

grassroot1

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

We wanted accountability and that comes with paperwork to assure that everything that should have been done, was done and on time and in the correct order.

Everything has a cost.

No I think it is just to protect the HSE from litigation, that seems to be the number 1 priority.
We had an internal safety audit a month ago,usually panic clear fire escapes signs put up to warn us about signs etc.
the auditors came and did not want to see our work area, just show us the paperwork!! that says it all