SUV to keep for 10 years

argentum

I'm looking for a new SUV for January 18. I'm replacing a 7 year old Qashqai plus 2 1.5 diesel
My wife is the main driver and doesn't need a diesel any more for the KM that she now does every year.
I hope to keep it for at least 8 years and really I'm trying to pin down the model that should be ok for that length of time
So far I've looked at 3008,Alteca,Tuscon,Kuga.
The petrol engines seem very small to me (always thought a 1.6 should be on a car this size)
Any one got any opinion on other models I should look at or on the ones that I've seen so far

Nuw

Mazda CX-3 or 5 depending on size required would be worth a good look in my opinion. Petrol in them don't have a turbo so probably won't have the grunt in the middle range of the others, on the other end, it makes economy figures published by the manufacturer a lot more achievable.

mloc123

argentum wrote: »

I'm looking for a new SUV for January 18. I'm replacing a 7 year old Qashqai plus 2 1.5 diesel
My wife is the main driver and doesn't need a diesel any more for the KM that she now does every year.
I hope to keep it for at least 8 years and really I'm trying to pin down the model that should be ok for that length of time
So far I've looked at 3008,Alteca,Tuscon,Kuga.
The petrol engines seem very small to me (always thought a 1.6 should be on a car this size)
Any one got any opinion on other models I should look at or on the ones that I've seen so far

Assume they will all be turbo petrols, look at power figures not engine size

SmithySeller

I drove the 3008 Allure 1.2 Auto. An absolute dinger.. Lots of go, sounds great and lovely car..

Agent_47

If cash is not limiting I would highly recommend the new Volvo XC40 if it can be ordered now.

Shefwedfan

Kia Niro Hybrid if you are looking at petrol.

Or depending on mileage you could hold on for electric Nissan SUV or the Hyundai Electric SUV

Could also look at Toyota as they have all Hybrids.....

You don't mention budget, if enough you could look at Lexus

Mitsubishi Outlander is PHEV and hugely popular in UK. You can get them imported very cheap

http://www.electricautos.ie/viewanad.php?ad_id=1865066

AMKC

Nuw wrote: »

Mazda CX-3 or 5 depending on size required would be worth a good look in my opinion. Petrol in them don't have a turbo so probably won't have the grunt in the middle range of the others, on the other end, it makes economy figures published by the manufacturer a lot more achievable.

It also means less to go wrong because don,t have the worry of a turbo going.

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Kia Niro Hybrid if you are looking at petrol.

Or depending on mileage you could hold on for electric Nissan SUV or the Hyundai Electric SUV

Could also look at Toyota as they have all Hybrids.....

You don't mention budget, if enough you could look at Lexus

Mitsubishi Outlander is PHEV and hugely popular in UK. You can get them imported very cheap

http://www.electricautos.ie/viewanad.php?ad_id=1865066

Kia Niro Hybrid if you are looking at petrol.

Not a bad car classy even but you could have a Sportage for the same price and it is a bigger car mostly diesel do.


Why not another Nissan?

elperello

The KIA comes with a seven year warranty which will give you some peace of mind.

FUBO

How about Skoda Yeti or its replacement whatever its called or Kia Sportage, or go mental and buy Alfa Stelvio

Shefwedfan

As mentioned I would consider hybrid. If looking longer terms it looks like things will move towards hybrid/electric. Based on current market trends.

With hybrid you are getting the best of petrol with better MPG....very high level you get the same MPG on hybrid as you would expect from diesel driving on motorways.....

Kia Niro is the newest out

Toyota hybrid versions are out a long time and more or less they have hybrid on every option. The RAV4 is biggest SUV but a friend has the C-HR which is ok but I found very small....so decent options....

Audi etc have the more premium hybrid but huge money

Plug in hybrid the main option at moment if Mitsubishi Outlander, hugely popular in UK....

paperandink

If you are not doing the miles then a petrol does make sense, however you will notice the difference. Apart from petrol being more expensive, it will take some time to get use to driving. Might be an idea to hire (or better still borrow) a petrol car in the class you are thinking of and drive for a few days. Make sure its the right choice.

argentum

argentum wrote: »

I'm looking for a new SUV for January 18. I'm replacing a 7 year old Qashqai plus 2 1.5 diesel
My wife is the main driver and doesn't need a diesel any more for the KM that she now does every year.
I hope to keep it for at least 8 years and really I'm trying to pin down the model that should be ok for that length of time
So far I've looked at 3008,Alteca,Tuscon,Kuga.
The petrol engines seem very small to me (always thought a 1.6 should be on a car this size)
Any one got any opinion on other models I should look at or on the ones that I've seen so far

What's your budget? An Outlander PHEV is pricey but if you are doing small miles about town the EV part of it could result in very decent overall mpg.

8 year warranty too I think.

micks_address

Augeo wrote: »

What's your budget? An Outlander PHEV is pricey but if you are doing small miles about town the EV part of it could result in very decent overall mpg.

8 year warranty too I think.

How about a petrol honda hrv?

Shefwedfan

paperandink wrote: »

If you are not doing the miles then a petrol does make sense, however you will notice the difference. Apart from petrol being more expensive, it will take some time to get use to driving. Might be an idea to hire (or better still borrow) a petrol car in the class you are thinking of and drive for a few days. Make sure its the right choice.

?????

Why would you need to rent a car to change from diesel to petrol?

Has to be the strangest suggestion I have seen on Motors forum......

paperandink

Shefwedfan wrote: »

?????

Why would you need to rent a car to change from diesel to petrol?

Has to be the strangest suggestion I have seen on Motors forum......

Its not that strange really. There are considerable differences to driving styles/techniques when driving petrol vs diesel. Some people hate petrol, some love. If someone has driven a diesel car for a few years then the change could be considerable for then. I suggested renting (or borrowing) with the intention of the the purchaser getting the chance to drive a petrol car for a few days before making the decision. They might find that driving a petrol is not for them.

Its really not that strange of a suggestion!

marklazarcovic

I.8 ch-r hybrid ,toyota

Shefwedfan

paperandink wrote: »

Its not that strange really. The are considerable differences to driving styles/techniques when driving petrol vs diesel. Some people hate petrol, some love. If someone has driven a diesel car for a few years then the change could be considerable for then. I suggested renting (or borrowing) with the intention of the the purchaser getting the chance to drive a petrol car for a few days before making the decision. They might find that driving a petrol is not for them.

Its really not that strange of a suggestion!

Yes it is.....

Renting a car....what a waste of money......

Wildcard7

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Renting a car....what a waste of money......

I wouldn't advise renting a car when you can borrow one, but he has a point.

There ARE people who hate driving a petrol car, or a diesel car, or a turbocharged car, or an automatic car, or a manual car. And a 10 minute test drive is not enough to figure that out.

Buying a car and then having to switch again a year later because you hate it, now THAT is a waste of money.

Shefwedfan

Wildcard7 wrote: »

I wouldn't advise renting a car when you can borrow one, but he has a point.

There ARE people who hate driving a petrol car, or a diesel car, or a turbocharged car, or an automatic car, or a manual car. And a 10 minute test drive is not enough to figure that out.

Buying a car and then having to switch again a year later because you hate it, now THAT is a waste of money.

Seriously, what is the difference in petrol and diesel apart from the filling station?

Maybe 10 years ago it was a big drop down to diesel but not anymore

Wildcard7

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Seriously, what is the difference in petrol and diesel apart from the filling station?

- Torque / development of power. A 2l turbo diesel feels a lot more powerful than a 2l (naturally aspirated) petrol when driving "normally". On the other hand, when you squeeze the pedal to the metal, a diesel only revs up to ~5k and doesn't feel that spectacular anymore, whereas a petrol goes up to ~8k. Turbocharged engines have a turbo lag that might bother some drivers. Difference in experience.
- Some people wouldn't want a Diesel because of the sound, or because of the oily properties of the fuel. Spill a few drops of petrol, no biggie. Spill a drop of diesel, you'll still smell it weeks later.

I'm sure there are other things too. All I'm saying is investing a few bob to make sure the money (that's somewhere between 1-12 months gross wages) is well invested isn't a waste by any means.

Shefwedfan

Wildcard7 wrote: »

- Torque / development of power. A 2l turbo diesel feels a lot more powerful than a 2l (naturally aspirated) petrol when driving "normally". On the other hand, when you squeeze the pedal to the metal, a diesel only revs up to ~5k and doesn't feel that spectacular anymore, whereas a petrol goes up to ~8k. Turbocharged engines have a turbo lag that might bother some drivers. Difference in experience.
- Some people wouldn't want a Diesel because of the sound, or because of the oily properties of the fuel. Spill a few drops of petrol, no biggie. Spill a drop of diesel, you'll still smell it weeks later.

I'm sure there are other things too. All I'm saying is investing a few bob to make sure the money (that's somewhere between 1-12 months gross wages) is well invested isn't a waste by any means.

The OP is moving from diesel to petrol...so moving from the loud engine to quieter engine.....

Apart from doing the standard test drive etc why would anyone need to rent a car out because they are swapping from diesel to petrol?

Any car will drive different, this is why the garage offers a test drive.

The poster is making reference to taking out a rental because of the huge difference between diesel and petrol? What are these huge differences?

it makes absolutely no sense.....

acronym Chilli

Lets just say the suggestion was surely well meant, and the OP or whoever can make their own mind up.
Personally, it does seem overkill, and the problem with renting is you're never very sure what you'll get. The difference from one petrol to another can itself be quite drastic. Extended test-drives (do some dealers/mfrs do that?) make some sense: getting acquainted with the overall package and seeing how it fits with your day to day routine and use: lifting kids in/out, using in night and day, loading stuff, unloading, parking at work and at home, etc.,

Relative of mine actually did change a new car after a year, but they really totally failed to test-drive properly, sort of assumed "a car is a car", and then never settled into the new machine. Switched after a year and driving that machine for at least 3 years at this stage.

More broadly, it surprised me that some would actually prefer the driving experience of diesel. For cars, I always understood diesel as a compromise in the interest of fuel economy, that the engineers could get whatever performance characteristic/driving-feel you wanted out of a petrol package, with more refinement and smoothness, just a matter of design and tuning.

slave1

I test drove a few mentioned here before settling on a Honda CRV, it was by far the better in terms of space and IMHO handling and efficiency, went for a 1.6 SR model diesel, faultless in it's first year with us.

paperandink

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Renting a car....what a waste of money......

Clearly didn't read my the part "maybe rent (or better still borrow)" in my first response.

I have drove, Fait, Renault, Ford, Open, Citroen, Volvo, Audi, Lancia (yes), Nissan, Honda, Merc, etc... in varieties of Diesel and Petrol over the years. My primary car is a diesel and when I go a petrol there is a considerable adjustment in my driving style and technique. I never managed to gel well with petrol engines and always preferred a diesel. When I travel and rent, I always request a diesel, but often get a petrol. I find these less economical based on my driving needs and I typically don't do a lot of millage per year typically 15-20K km per year.

The point I was making was that the OP was considering changing from a diesel to a petrol. They should borrow (in the first instance) or rent one so that they could drive a petrol for a few days to see if they enjoy it, or it suits their own driving needs. Renting would be a small investment (if they could not borrow) when they would consider how long the might own the new car for.

As I stated above, I could never adapt to driving a petrol over a diesel for extended periods

Lantus

Look up the new Skoda karoq. Appears to be another class buster from Skoda. Comes with a 1 litre and 1.5 petrol engine.

The 1litre features in the Octavia and is a proven engine in a large car. Under 30k new. Fairly well spec,d

Shefwedfan

paperandink wrote: »

Clearly didn't read my the part "maybe rent (or better still borrow)" in my first response.

I have drove, Fait, Renault, Ford, Open, Citroen, Volvo, Audi, Lancia (yes), Nissan, Honda, Merc, etc... in varieties of Diesel and Petrol over the years. My primary car is a diesel and when I go a petrol there is a considerable adjustment in my driving style and technique. I never managed to gel well with petrol engines and always preferred a diesel. When I travel and rent, I always request a diesel, but often get a petrol. I find these less economical based on my driving needs and I typically don't do a lot of millage per year typically 15-20K km per year.

The point I was making was that the OP was considering changing from a diesel to a petrol. They should borrow (in the first instance) or rent one so that they could drive a petrol for a few days to see if they enjoy it, or it suits their own driving needs. Renting would be a small investment (if they could not borrow) when they would consider how long the might own the new car for.

As I stated above, I could never adapt to driving a petrol over a diesel for extended periods

And this is why I can't wait for autonomous driving.....

argentum

Just to keep you all updated and thanks for the replies so far.
My wife always drove petrol before her last car so switching back wont be a problem.
We had a few hours spare last week and got to see the following

Kia sportage .... we both agreed that this was the worst looking car we have ever sat into .... cheap and nasty looking plastics
Ford Kuga...........I have one but she's not mad about it so no
Nissan Qashqai......she has a 2011 model and thought the new one was ok depending on the price
Renault Kadjar..............no view of it at all totally forgettable once you leave the showroom
Peugeot 3008 .... her favorite so far by a mile its a bit dear so just depends on the price to switch

We're looking at Alteca,Tuscon this weekend and waiting on new Karoq to come into dealer to have a look but she has the mindset of " I wont be seen dead in a Skoda" so that might be a problem.

commited

argentum wrote: »

Peugeot 3008 .... her favorite so far by a mile its a bit dear so just depends on the price to switch

It's always worth looking at the UK and using this to leverage dealers here.
http://www.broker4cars.co.uk/Buy/New_Car.jsp?capID=77727&dt&utm_source=Car2Buy&utm_medium=ClickMarketing&utm_term=3008_ESTATE&utm_content=ExternalComparisonSite&utm_campaign=Cars2buy
£16300 from UK (VAT free) so about €18800 including ferry. VAT will be €4255 and VRT should be around €4200. A lot of hassle to save €1600 (+ dealer charges etc) but you could use it as a lever to negotiate a better deal.

I'd also suggest selling your Quashqai privately as it should sell quickly and cost to change will be lowered.

ba_barabus

OP is be seriously considering a Toyota Rav4 Hybrid or it's Lexus equivalent.

Very well build and very reliable.

Shefwedfan

argentum wrote: »

Just to keep you all updated and thanks for the replies so far.
My wife always drove petrol before her last car so switching back wont be a problem.
We had a few hours spare last week and got to see the following

Kia sportage .... we both agreed that this was the worst looking car we have ever sat into .... cheap and nasty looking plastics
Ford Kuga...........I have one but she's not mad about it so no
Nissan Qashqai......she has a 2011 model and thought the new one was ok depending on the price
Renault Kadjar..............no view of it at all totally forgettable once you leave the showroom
Peugeot 3008 .... her favorite so far by a mile its a bit dear so just depends on the price to switch

We're looking at Alteca,Tuscon this weekend and waiting on new Karoq to come into dealer to have a look but she has the mindset of " I wont be seen dead in a Skoda" so that might be a problem.

I would test the hybrid out there.....just for economy when in petrol...also she might like the battery drive

Toyota Rav 4 & C-HR
Kia Niro(probably not if you dont like the Sportage)
Lexus NX

Richard_parker

argentum wrote: »

Just to keep you all updated and thanks for the replies so far.
My wife always drove petrol before her last car so switching back wont be a problem.
We had a few hours spare last week and got to see the following

Kia sportage .... we both agreed that this was the worst looking car we have ever sat into .... cheap and nasty looking plastics
Ford Kuga...........I have one but she's not mad about it so no
Nissan Qashqai......she has a 2011 model and thought the new one was ok depending on the price
Renault Kadjar..............no view of it at all totally forgettable once you leave the showroom
Peugeot 3008 .... her favorite so far by a mile its a bit dear so just depends on the price to switch

We're looking at Alteca,Tuscon this weekend and waiting on new Karoq to come into dealer to have a look but she has the mindset of " I wont be seen dead in a Skoda" so that might be a problem.

You should test drive Honda CRV if you can, perfect replacement for Qashqai. A lot better and easier to drive, faster, crv 1.6 diesel is more powerful than qashqais 1.5 yet it gets better mpg. Friend of mine owned qashqai 09 from brand new, switched to crv this summer and those are his observations. I drove it several times already, very nice drive feels like it has more torque than my 1.6 diesel civic yet they have same engine/same bhp (120bhp fwd, 4wd crv are twin turbo 160bhp). I was impressed how it handles ramps and we have some nasty ones in my area. He actually test drove 2 new qashqais first, one was given to him for a day while his was getting serviced, but preferred crv at the end.
However, while 4th generation crv does come in 2.0 ivtec petrol I have never seen on in Eire.

micks_address

Richard_parker wrote: »

You should test drive Honda CRV if you can, perfect replacement for Qashqai. A lot better and easier to drive, faster, crv 1.6 diesel is more powerful than qashqais 1.5 yet it gets better mpg. Friend of mine owned qashqai 09 from brand new, switched to crv this summer and those are his observations. I drove it several times already, very nice drive feels like it has more torque than my 1.6 diesel civic yet they have same engine/same bhp (120bhp fwd, 4wd crv are twin turbo 160bhp). I was impressed how it handles ramps and we have some nasty ones in my area. He actually test drove 2 new qashqais first, one was given to him for a day while his was getting serviced, but preferred crv at the end.
However, while 4th generation crv does come in 2.0 ivtec petrol I have never seen on in Eire.

Which diesel engine has your friends CRV? I thought the 1.6 diesel was same in civic and CRV.. the 160 is a different engine and I doubt mpg would be anywhere near the 1.6

Richard_parker

micks_address wrote: »

Which diesel engine has your friends CRV? I thought the 1.6 diesel was same in civic and CRV.. the 160 is a different engine and I doubt mpg would be anywhere near the 1.6

His is fwd car so engine same as in civic, 1.6 idtec 120bhp 6 speed manual gearbox. Feels like it got more torque than a civic though.
160bhp only comes in AWD/4WD crv, same engine again 1.6 idtec but it has 2 turbo chargers.
Maybe you are thinking about 2.2 idtec that came in 9g civic pre facelift(2012-2014) with 150bhp, sadly that engine never made it to 4gen crv. Very economical considering the displacement, slightly higher consumption city driving in a civic which weights 1.4 tonne, however it is more economical motorway driving at speeds of over 100km/h.
3rd generation crv came with 2.2 cdti 140bhp (not idtec), same engine was also fitted to 8th generation civic.

dil999

argentum wrote: »

We're looking at Alteca,Tuscon this weekend and waiting on new Karoq to come into dealer to have a look but she has the mindset of " I wont be seen dead in a Skoda" so that might be a problem.

She'll have to rule out the Seat then, as it would be definitely be regarded as the least prestigious of the Volkswagen mainstream brands.

Shefwedfan

https://www.toyota.ie/hybrid/?campaignid=879885314&adgroupid=45783478242&creative=230685465493&keyword=%2Btoyota%20%2Bhybrid&medium=ad&gclid=Cj0KCQiAlpDQBRDmARIsAAW6-DN8MtetsJbNBHfkXa_bDB9CkejX23DqtVz6zlMBz5IScAbIhdCnRv0aAtY_EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CMK2qp2asdcCFUug7Qodw74FBg

Might be worth having a look at.....hybrid normally more expensive

AMKC

There is a new Mitsubishi SUV out called the Eclipse Cross and it looks nice. Also comes with an 8 year warranty.

New Subaru XV out as well looks very nice has a very classy and stylish looking interior in it too light years ahead of the old one. Both well worth a look I think.