New camera struggles

SpaceCowb0y

Hi all

I just recently (last Saturday) got a new Canon 80D, an upgrade from the Canon 1100D I had been using for quite a while.

The camera looks and feels great, the articulated touch screen is a brilliant feature too allowing me to touch where i want the camera to focus in Live View etc.

One thing i'm struggling with though is taking pictures at low ISO. I usually shoot in manual mode and was well able to get some nice pictures with the 1100D at ISO 100 even in lowish light, not dark but outside at sunset or indoors during the day for example (possibly bumping up to ISO 200). With the new 80D i expected to see a big improvement here but it seems that unless i'm outside and it's really bright i need to crank the ISO higher than I did on the 1100D to let in enough light? I was out the other evening (around sunset) and was up around ISO 800/1600 with a shutter speed around 1/160 at times before i could get a decent shot.

I'm hoping i've just missed something and that there's some settings i need to tweak but surely the larger, newer sensor of the 80D should see some improvement?

Any thoughts/advice would be really appreciated here.

wersal gummage

You sound like you know what you are talking about... But are you shooting with same apertures in your comparison?

SpaceCowb0y

wersal gummage wrote: »

You sound like you know what you are talking about... But are you shooting with same apertures in your comparison?

Yep, exact same settings on both cameras. Same ISO, aperture, focal Length and shutter speed.

The only difference being that the lens on the Canon 80D is the IS STM version of the 18 - 55mm kit lens. The lens on the 1100D is the old old Canon kit lens (camera was bought in 2011/2012).

ED E

Brand new camera, no settings from the last user? (assume you'd check the EV comp anyways).



If they're both crop (-S) then swap the lenses as a first check.

CabanSail

Both cameras have APS-C sensors but that is really not relevant anyway. As long as the lens has an appropriate circle of illumination the size is not an issue here. Where size does matter is that you can have larger pixels and that leads to better noise handling.

The light at the same aperture and shutter speed setting should be identical no matter what it is illuminating. That is why they are standard.

This is ALL down to the lens and it matters not a jot which body you hang on the back. How that light is recorded is where the body comes into play. A better sensor will allow the use of a higher ISO with less penalty but it will not make more light.

5uspect

Could simply be down to metering. Your old camera probably had fewer metering modes and defaulted to Matrix or centre weighted. You might be shooting in spot metering on the new camera resulting in a darker image.

SpaceCowb0y

5uspect wrote: »

Could simply be down to metering. Your old camera probably had fewer metering modes and defaulted to Matrix or centre weighted. You might be shooting in spot metering on the new camera resulting in a darker image.

I'll have a proper read of the manual

Thanks for all the input everyone! I took a side by side comparison today with the following settings:

ISO 100
Aperture f/4
Shutter speed 200
Focal length 18mm

Image on the left is the 80D Image on the right is the 1100D



I guess its all in my head? Although the 1100D still seems marginally brighter and warmer too but nothing significant.

As expected when i brought up the shadows on both, the 80D did handle noise much better (not shown in the image). I'm not sure whats going on so, I just felt when i was out with the 80D the last few times something felt off and i was cranking up the ISO a lot more than I normally would have been but obviously not?

ValueInIreland

You should have a look at your white balance settings also- were they both set the same?

ED E

ValueInIreland wrote: »

You should have a look at your white balance settings also- were they both set the same?

Not relevant when shooting raw which his posting to date suggests he very likely is.

5uspect

ED E wrote: »

Not relevant when shooting raw which his posting to date suggests he very likely is.

He should al least set the images to the same values when comparing.

I know you’re shooting in Manual but that’s a somewhat challenging image to meter with the very dark interior and brighter exterior. even similar metering modes across cameras will differ. Also sensors will vary user such conditions and the response isn’t going to be identical even if noise performance is better.

cortinaG

The white balance is completely different in both shots,
Warmer and thus brighter with the 1100d.
Did you try, as sugested, using the old lens with the new camera?

OldGoat

Any chance of posting the EXIF for each image? That way we can rule out the most common likely differences.