Massey 390 v 390T price

stephenmc16

Anyone know wants the run of a Massey 390 or 390T?
Seen a few on done deal from 11k to 19k
Any problems with them that you might know of also?
Thanks

kk.man

stephenmc16 wrote: »

Anyone know wants the run of a Massey 390 or 390T?
Seen a few on done deal from 11k to 19k
Any problems with them that you might know of also?
Thanks

Shuttle is a big advantage so to is the 'High Line' version vrs the low profile. High line has flat floor much easier work in it. 12 x 12 better for livestock farming. No problems with them.
However many of them might be no in great condition now because of their age.

discodaveirl

Just to say the MF 3075 is well worth looking at also

satstheway

stephenmc16 wrote: »

Anyone know wants the run of a Massey 390 or 390T?
Seen a few on done deal from 11k to 19k
Any problems with them that you might know of also?
Thanks

398 here and a real good machine. Very little probs and serviceable

Bass Reeves

even in good condition and a shuttle at anything over 10-14k you be better off looking at more modern late ninties tractors.

lakill Farm

discodaveirl wrote: »

Just to say the MF 3075 is well worth looking at also

Think Darragh was saying the same as you , the ones ending with 5 are good and with 0 are questionable

So 3075 yes. 3070 no

I can not for the life of me see how a 390t is worth 15/20k even with a loader.

cute geoge

lakill Farm wrote: »

Think Darragh was saying the same as you , the ones ending with 5 are good and with 0 are questionable

So 3075 yes. 3070 no

I can not for the life of me see how a 390t is worth 15/20k even with a loader.

They seem to be one of the few tractors that hold their value .
Neighbour paid 20k for clean 4wd drive with loader 7 years ago (i taught it was blackmarket price)but i bet it did not depreciate too much anyway.They really are only a farmers tractor not suitable for slurry or hauling 14 bale silage loads!!!

lakill Farm

Totally agree with all your points.

cute geoge wrote: »

They seem to be one of the few tractors that hold their value .
Neighbour paid 20k for clean 4wd drive with loader 7 years ago (i taught it was blackmarket price)but i bet it did not depreciate too much anyway.They really are only a farmers tractor not suitable for slurry or hauling 14 bale silage loads!!!

tanko

Bass Reeves wrote: »

even in good condition and a shuttle at anything over 10-14k you be better off looking at more modern late ninties tractors.

What are better alternatives?

twin_beacon

the 300 series are great machines, but the last ones rolled off the production line in Coventry 20 years ago! Clean low hour examples are very rare. But they really hold their value as stock farmers love them.

cute geoge

I have a clean low houred 390 t but it is only 2 wd .Would it be worth my while if i converted it to 4 wd .I dont think it would be too much of a problem ,it has low line cab and its 94 model with shuttle

twin_beacon

I wouldn't imagine it would be cheap, the parts alone would probably cost a few thousand. Better option would probably to sell the 2wd 390T, and put the money for the 4wd conversion along with it, and get a clean 4255.

tomwaterford

tanko wrote: »

What are better alternatives?

Any of the 42 series cases?
Same age range,and much cheaper to buy??

Even as much as I dislike them,I'd pick a fiat of same age range over a 390

Who2

I've a Mf 398 and couldn't rate it highly enough, only downside is the hydraulics could do with a little more oomph. Simple tractor that does nearly everything I throw at it.

Gorgeousgeorge

Look at the landini blizzard. Very same machine but cheaper

tedpan

I'm not a farmer, so have no idea. Maybe you could find something here?

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/farm-machinery-auction-this-saturday-portlaoise/16982339

stephenmc16

with regards to where the gears are, does anyone find the gears between the legs of to the right best? Any problems with either?

I said

Have a 390t bulletproof for what I want if for.
At the time way better value for me than tl90 when I bought.

emaherx

stephenmc16 wrote: »

with regards to where the gears are, does anyone find the gears between the legs of to the right best? Any problems with either?

I have one of each. Gears to the right is far more desirable as you will also have a dash mouted shuttle forward/reverse lever.

There are 2 options with the gears on the right, 12x12 and 18x18. The 18 speed is capable of 40K and only came in the later models these are the ones which get the highest price.

3 sticks on the floor is fine but you are talking about a much older tractor. 3 sticks on the floor 390 should be less than 10K and probably closer to 30 years old. (This gear option may have been available in later models but rarely taken)

Be careful of Donedeal adds as many sellers see how much an 18x18 shuttle box 390 will fetch and think their 3 sticks on the floor model is worth just as much.

feartuath

Looked at 96 399 in the north recently. 18 speed,
Low hours, no shuttle 18.5k plus vat.
A lot of money for an old tractor.

feartuath

Looked at 96 399 in the north recently. 18 speed,
Low hours, no shuttle 18.5k plus vat.
A lot of money for an old tractor.

emaherx

feartuath wrote: »

Looked at 96 399 in the north recently. 18 speed,
Low hours, no shuttle 18.5k plus vat.
A lot of money for an old tractor.

It sure is.... As a matter of interest was it at least in pristine condition with low hours?

twin_beacon

feartuath wrote: »

Looked at 96 399 in the north recently. 18 speed,
Low hours, no shuttle 18.5k plus vat.
A lot of money for an old tractor.

you could get a 4270 for that price
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/mf-4270/16607251
although that price could be sterling

feartuath

4500 hours, extremely clean tinwork painted a few years ago.
A genuine tractor but about 5k too dear.

I am still looking but will probably wait until the new year they seem to be increasing in price in the north.

leoch

emaharx the 12/12 manual shuttle would be the most desirable one i would have thought the other one is 18/6 and has no shuttle not 18/18

emaherx

leoch wrote: »

emaharx the 12/12 manual shuttle would be the most desirable one i would have thought the other one is 18/6 and has no shuttle not 18/18

Quite possibly but Johnconaty.com is advertising parts for the 18x18 box, I came across them when looking for parts for my 12x12

White Clover

emaherx wrote: »

Quite possibly but Johnconaty.com is advertising parts for the 18x18 box, I came across them when looking for parts for my 12x12

I think Leo is correct here e. The 18 x 6 has R123 on the one gear lever, 3 ranges and a splitter.

Bass Reeves

tanko wrote: »

What are better alternatives?

Below is an example of a much better type of tractor than a 390. I know it is in NI but you would have it in the yard for around 17K amybe a tad less. NI prices had climbed due to the import demand into the south but it is begining to level out. Lots of Irish dealers bought tractors and have them sitting in there yards as they forgot everybody else was dong it as well. Car trade is a bit that way as well.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-ts-110/15892602

Here is another

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2002-newholland-tl80/16497710

Mr321

stephenmc16 wrote: »

Anyone know wants the run of a Massey 390 or 390T?
Seen a few on done deal from 11k to 19k
Any problems with them that you might know of also?
Thanks

Would love a 390 myself. There are pricey indeed. The neighbor has taken 2 of them out of England they were like new.
One has the sliver MF cab 4WD the other 2WD red top cab 93 model.
He swears by them hence why the 2nd one arrived, don't know the price he gave though was working my way round to asking one day and the subject was quickly changed.
I.was at a farm auction 2 years ago where a very rough 4WD one bided and went 14,500 but the engine sounded perfect.

Perkins engine so no trouble engine wise.

kowtow

Bass Reeves wrote:

Below is an example of a much better type of tractor than a 390. I know it is in NI but you would have it in the yard for around 17K amybe a tad less. NI prices had climbed due to the import demand into the south but it is begining to level out. Lots of Irish dealers bought tractors and have them sitting in there yards as they forgot everybody else was dong it as well. Car trade is a bit that way as well.

How comfortable are the TS on the road? Need something that to zip away 10 miles to an outfarm without too much bother. I'm no kind of tractor expert so be gentle with me.

stephenmc16

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Below is an example of a much better type of tractor than a 390. I know it is in NI but you would have it in the yard for around 17K amybe a tad less. NI prices had climbed due to the import demand into the south but it is begining to level out. Lots of Irish dealers bought tractors and have them sitting in there yards as they forgot everybody else was dong it as well. Car trade is a bit that way as well.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-ts-110/15892602

Here is another

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2002-newholland-tl80/16497710

They're a lot of money to be honest.. Only want to spend around the 12/13k mark at most. something clean and reliable for drawing bales and topping. That's about the height of the work it'd be at.

kay 9

Check out the Fiat 88-94.
Within your budget and bomb proof

stephenmc16

kay 9 wrote: »

Check out the Fiat 88-94.
Within your budget and bomb proof

Is there anything to watch out for with the fiat do you know? any common faults etc?

kay 9

stephenmc16 wrote: »

Is there anything to watch out for with the fiat do you know? any common faults etc?

It's just a matter of giving everything a once over. I bought it's younger brother in the UK without seeing it (nh6635). Better lift capacity than the 390 and possibly more poke as well. Very serviceable tractors with everything very accessible, easy repair and parts are very reasonable the odd time you need something.
For example ; the hydraulic pump is just bolted on to the side of the block and can be changed in 20 mins and only costs 120 quid new
Like any tractor of that vintage, check the clutch as dry clutches don't like loader work.
A lot of the 390s have a spring costing €2 that goes, it causes the range selector to fail and the tractor has to be split to replace it. Overpriced imo.

stephenmc16

kay 9 wrote: »

It's just a matter of giving everything a once over. I bought it's younger brother in the UK without seeing it (nh6635). Better lift capacity than the 390 and possibly more poke as well. Very serviceable tractors with everything very accessible, easy repair and parts are very reasonable the odd time you need something.
For example ; the hydraulic pump is just bolted on to the side of the block and can be changed in 20 mins and only costs 120 quid new
Like any tractor of that vintage, check the clutch as dry clutches don't like loader work.
A lot of the 390s have a spring costing €2 that goes, it causes the range selector to fail and the tractor has to be split to replace it. Overpriced imo.

Sounds like something to look in to anyway. I'm in no big rush but hoping to get something before February anyway.

tomwaterford

kay 9 wrote: »

It's just a matter of giving everything a once over. I bought it's younger brother in the UK without seeing it (nh6635). Better lift capacity than the 390 and possibly more poke as well. Very serviceable tractors with everything very accessible, easy repair and parts are very reasonable the odd time you need something.
For example ; the hydraulic pump is just bolted on to the side of the block and can be changed in 20 mins and only costs 120 quid new
Like any tractor of that vintage, check the clutch as dry clutches don't like loader work.
A lot of the 390s have a spring costing €2 that goes, it causes the range selector to fail and the tractor has to be split to replace it. Overpriced imo.

I'm suprised more lads don't do this spring themselves....I seen even the proper workshop sheet etc online for it before

kay 9

tomwaterford wrote: »

I'm suprised more lads don't do this spring themselves....I seen even the proper workshop sheet etc online for it before

A lot of lads don't know how to use a grease gun never mind split a tractor and put it back together without fault.

Bass Reeves

kowtow wrote: »

How comfortable are the TS on the road? Need something that to zip away 10 miles to an outfarm without too much bother. I'm no kind of tractor expert so be gentle with me.

I am no tractor expert myself either. I have a 2WD Case CX80 will zip along at 30K. Nice tractor cost 12K last year. Gears on RHS are situated nicely and LH shuttle. Not a very strong lift at the back but a nicer tractor than a similar 390. Electric lift as well after you get used to it you would miss it.

Bass Reeves

stephenmc16 wrote: »

They're a lot of money to be honest.. Only want to spend around the 12/13k mark at most. something clean and reliable for drawing bales and topping. That's about the height of the work it'd be at.

Very hard to get a tractor for 12-13K mark unless you go 2WD. You will not get a shuttle. Maybe a very clean case 4230 or a Zetor or a 40 series ford.Lots of this stuff has been exported. A good tractor if you can come accross a clean one would be a case 5120 but they are rare enough

White Clover

A landini 9880 is a super tractor. Bombproof too.

emaherx

At this stage 390's are overpriced due to their age and most have had a hard life being abused as stockman loader tractors.

But they were not as overrated as many members of this forum claim and many of the flaws pointed out in this thread were actually their strong points. The small foot print and low profile cabs were the selling point for us, as most similar powered tractors of the era would not fit around our tight yard or into our low sheds which were built in the 60's. Their simple mechanics and lack of electronics was actually a plus point making them simple to service and repair using basic tools.

As for the lifts being inadequate? What are people looking to lift? I carry in 2 bales of silage with a double bale lifter on the back of mine. There is also external assistor ram kits available which I don't have on the 390T.

There is also a massive difference between early and late models. We have the 3 sticks on the floor model 365, also have the 12x12 shuttle model 390T and even had for a short while the much rarer 8x8 2 sticks on the floor 390 with shuttle.

We use the 12x12 390T for loader work, baling hay/silage, slurry spreading, muck spreading and hauling bales and it is vastly Superior to the earlier models due to the convineance of the shuttle, but also the higher road speed, 4 wheel brakeing and trailer brakes.

satstheway

emaherx wrote: »

At this stage 390's are overpriced due to their age and most have had a hard life being abused as stockman loader tractors.

But they were not as overrated as many members of this forum claim and many of the flaws pointed out in this thread were actually their strong points. The small foot print and low profile cabs were the selling point for us, as most similar powered tractors of the era would not fit around our tight yard or into our low sheds which were built in the 60's. Their simple mechanics and lack of electronics was actually a plus point making them simple to service and repair using basic tools.

As for the lifts being inadequate? What are people looking to lift? I carry in 2 bales of silage with a double bale lifter on the back of mine. There is also external assistor ram kits available which I don't have on the 390T.

There is also a massive difference between early and late models. We have the 3 sticks on the floor model 365, also have the 12x12 shuttle model 390T and even had for a short while the much rarer 8x8 2 sticks on the floor 390 with shuttle.

We use the 12x12 390T for loader work, baling hay/silage, slurry spreading, muck spreading and hauling bales and it is vastly Superior to the earlier models due to the convineance of the shuttle, but also the higher road speed, 4 wheel brakeing and trailer brakes.

Have to agree here.
Our 398 lifts a 7 foot box fully fully loaded with drainage stone no problem at all.
And also a wet double choped bale hanging out on the end of a shear grab (pure abuse) on the grab bit the tractor has no problems

stephenmc16

Been looking at a few 390s and can anyone tell me the advantage/disadvantage of the gearbox on the floor versus the longer stick on the right?

emaherx

stephenmc16 wrote: »

Been looking at a few 390s and can anyone tell me the advantage/disadvantage of the gearbox on the floor versus the longer stick on the right?

Ease of access to the cab, so sticks are out of the way. More convenient position for changing gears without having to reach/stoop.

More importantly gears on the right is either a tractor with a shuttle on dash giving the same amount of gears forwards and reverse or else it has a 40K box. So either way gears on the right are more desirable. (Also probably means it's a younger tractor.)

lakill Farm

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I am no tractor expert myself either. I have a 2WD Case CX80 will zip along at 30K. Nice tractor cost 12K last year. Gears on RHS are situated nicely and LH shuttle. Not a very strong lift at the back but a nicer tractor than a similar 390. Electric lift as well after you get used to it you would miss it.

Where did you come across that bus? Ireland or import. A clean 895xl is making 5-10k and 4210/4240 2wd are 8-15k

I have McCormick cx105 and she is topping out at 36.5kph with a 40k box on r34

Bass Reeves

lakill Farm wrote: »

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I am no tractor expert myself either. I have a 2WD Case CX80 will zip along at 30K. Nice tractor cost 12K last year. Gears on RHS are situated nicely and LH shuttle. Not a very strong lift at the back but a nicer tractor than a similar 390. Electric lift as well after you get used to it you would miss it.

Where did you come across that bus? Ireland or import. A clean 895xl is making 5-10k and 4210/4240 2wd are 8-15k

I have McCormick cx105 and she is topping out at 36.5kph with a 40k box on r34

Bought it last year she was an ex council tractor, hours were highish but from the look of here it was ticking over or driving a grass mower. You will come across them saw a red New Holland TL90 I think a few weeks ago on DD with grass tyres for 10k and about 5k hours. It a matter of watching DD have seen a good few late 90's 2WD for around the 15k mark Massey's Nh's and Cases over the last 12 months. Lads bring them in fromthe UK looking for 17-20k are taking the piss

lakill Farm

Totally agree

Thinking of maybe an 895/4240 xl with 40k box
Or 2850jd.

Dad Saying he wount drive mine with the push button stuff. Will see what happens

You buy a good 4wd for same money as a 2wd. It’s mad

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Bought it last year she was an ex council tractor, hours were highish but from the look of here it was ticking over or driving a grass mower. You will come across them saw a red New Holland TL90 I think a few weeks ago on DD with grass tyres for 10k and about 5k hours. It a matter of watching DD have seen a good few late 90's 2WD for around the 15k mark Massey's Nh's and Cases over the last 12 months. Lads bring them in fromthe UK looking for 17-20k are taking the piss