Is the Nissan Leaf the pick of the electric cars at the moment

alangeorge

seems to be

Soarer

Fair enough.

ewj1978

Not sure how to answer this one. Leaf is the best seller, is it the best car? no. 6 year old design is obviously going to lose out to the new designs coming through.
I'm a leaf driver btw.

thierry14

ewj1978 wrote: »

Not sure how to answer this one. Leaf is the best seller, is it the best car? no. 6 year old design is obviously going to lose out to the new designs coming through.
I'm a leaf driver btw.

New one looks great though

Quick, decent range, thrifty looks, still cheap

150bhp, 250km, 25k is going to be hard to beat

ewj1978

No price announced in Ireland yet. If it is 25k i wonder what its spec will be..

Shefwedfan

alangeorge wrote: »

seems to be

No

thierry14

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No

For the price it is

Golf is a rip off

Crazy to buy one over a new Leaf or current Ioniq

Effects

thierry14 wrote: »

Quick, decent range, thrifty looks, still cheap

Thrifty looking isn't something any car should try to look like.
One of my issues with some electric cars is the way they make them stand out as looking like electric cars.

Shefwedfan

thierry14 wrote: »

For the price it is

Golf is a rip off

Crazy to buy one over a new Leaf or current Ioniq

Did I mention the eGolf?

The question was "Is the Nissan Leaf the pick of the electric cars at the moment" and the answer to that is no.....the question did not ask which car is better or worse.....

thierry14

Effects wrote: »

Thrifty looking isn't something any car should try to look like.
One of my issues with some electric cars is the way they make them stand out as looking like electric cars.

New one looks like a regular hatch/ bit sportier

endacl

Effects wrote: »

Thrifty looking isn't something any car should try to look like.
One of my issues with some electric cars is the way they make them stand out as looking like electric cars.

Very true. Kinda like when the ICE was invented and they didn’t bother making the carriages look like they were being pulled by horses?

thierry14

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Did I mention the eGolf?

The question was "Is the Nissan Leaf the pick of the electric cars at the moment" and the answer to that is no.....the question did not ask which car is better or worse.....

What is the best then?

Inc value for money

Teslas are obviously the best here if money is no prob

Shefwedfan

thierry14 wrote: »

New one looks like a regular hatch/ bit sportier

New one looks like a Micra...a new look Micra but still a Micra

Shefwedfan

thierry14 wrote: »

What is the best then?

Inc value for money

Teslas are obviously the best here if money is no prob

The Zoe for one is better

thierry14

Shefwedfan wrote: »

The Zoe for one is better

How?

Its incredibly slow and can barely do 120kmh

Effects

thierry14 wrote: »

New one looks like a regular hatch/ bit sportier

It does, and I like it a lot better for that reason.

thierry14

Shefwedfan wrote: »

New one looks like a Micra...a new look Micra but still a Micra

Bit more original than a Golf anyway

Which looks like a mini van, especially in white, a mini van that has looked the same for the last 20 years

Shefwedfan

thierry14 wrote: »

Bit more original than a Golf anyway

Which looks like a mini van, especially in white, a mini van that has looked the same for the last 20 years

Say what you want about the Golf, at least it doesn't look like a Micra.....

Remind me wasn't the Micra developed for older lady to go to the shops......

I am not knocking the Leaf, I just bought one for my 70 year old mother to go to and from the shops. :P

Soarer

Shefwedfan wrote: »

New one looks like a Micra...a new look Micra but still a Micra

I actually think it looks like the Pulsar.

Shefwedfan

Soarer wrote: »

I actually think it looks like the Pulsar.

Micra/Pulsar/Leaf look all the same now. The Pulsar and Leaf have the same back doors....

There is nothing wrong with the Leaf. It is just not the pick of electric cars at the moment.

Tesla is better
eGolf is better
Ioniq is better
Bolt EV is better(pity we dont get)
Soul EV is better(based on Phil's feedback)

I would argue the Zoe is better but that is more personal decision. Also the Zoe will be cheaper.

The question above never mentioned which is the best budget EV. It asked which is the pick. So all of the above is better than the Leaf current and new model

ewj1978

Zoe isn't cheaper. Very small Car for 27k.. They're having a laugh

reboot

On AC charging, Zoe wins no question Leaf was popular because in the South of Ireland it was the model T Ford.Time to move on.

jerryg

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Micra/Pulsar/Leaf look all the same now. The Pulsar and Leaf have the same back doors....

There is nothing wrong with the Leaf. It is just not the pick of electric cars at the moment.

Tesla is better
eGolf is better
Ioniq is better
Bolt EV is better(pity we dont get)
Soul EV is better(based on Phil's feedback)

I would argue the Zoe is better but that is more personal decision. Also the Zoe will be cheaper.

The question above never mentioned which is the best budget EV. It asked which is the pick. So all of the above is better than the Leaf current and new model

You didn't mention a BMW i3 is better than many of the above ask Mad Lad!
Its certainly faster and probably has a longer range than some of the above.
On this forum you have many that have brand loyalty which means they don't have an independent views of different makes.When I bought my car an i3 in Sept 2016 there was only 2 choices at my price range, a leaf and a Bmw i3 there was a range and a price difference.

unkel

ewj1978 wrote: »

Not sure how to answer this one. Leaf is the best seller, is it the best car?

Ioniq is best seller in Ireland, not Leaf. Which is quite surprising as they are very hard to get with long waiting lists. Ioniq is also the best value for money EV at less than €25k on the road.

The new Leaf could very well take over again from Ioniq. By all means it looks like a very good EV for reasonable money. All other EVs in Ireland are either out of most people's reach (Teslas) or poor value for money (i3 / eGolf / Zoe)

peposhi

Based on what’s available currently I’d pick the 161 Leaf 30kwh Leaf as the one that offers best value for money. Decent car, good chunk of depreciation shedded off, great prices, widely fits the charging infrastructure (when it’s working)

DrPhilG

Currently depends on your definition.

The 40kwh Leaf isn't technically available yet.

However if you count it in the discussion then it's easily going win as range and cost are the prime movers in most EV debates.

Tesla - 3 is not available yet, S/X fantastic cars but hugely expensive.

E-golf - great range but ridiculously expensive and limited through no fault of their own by the poor CCS network in many areas.

Zoe - good range, but a bit of a granny car in reality due to its size and power. Also far too expensive for what it is.

Ioniq - great car, super range for its battery size and probably the easiest on the eye besides the Tesla. If they bring out a 40kwh they probably take this title back but for now range is their downfall, plus CCS.

Leaf - 40kwh car brings 150 miles range, more conventional looks and chademo which is much more widespread.

Other than brand loyalty (I have none) I'm not sure how anybody can make the argument for any other car. The Ioniq is the only challenger but their battery supply issues are a concern for future increases.

TL/DR
Zoe, too small. Golf/Tesla, too expensive. Ioniq, lacking range.

reboot

DrPhilG wrote: »

Currently depends on your definition.

The 40kwh Leaf isn't technically available yet.

However if you count it in the discussion then it's easily going win as range and cost are the prime movers in most EV debates.

Tesla - 3 is not available yet, S/X fantastic cars but hugely expensive.

E-golf - great range but ridiculously expensive and limited through no fault of their own by the poor CCS network in many areas.

Zoe - good range, but a bit of a granny car in reality due to its size and power. Also far too expensive for what it is.

Ioniq - great car, super range for its battery size and probably the easiest on the eye besides the Tesla. If they bring out a 40kwh they probably take this title back but for now range is their downfall, plus CCS.

Leaf - 40kwh car brings 150 miles range, more conventional looks and chademo which is much more widespread.

Other than brand loyalty (I have none) I'm not sure how anybody can make the argument for any other car. The Ioniq is the only challenger but their battery supply issues are a concern for future increases.

TL/DR
Zoe, too small. Golf/Tesla, too expensive. Ioniq, lacking range.

When I bought my first Zoe it was half the price of the Leaf, and at 22 kva CPs, charges twice as fast, just compare the thickness of the charge cable. Lots of space, the rear of the back seat unclips in about 20 the seconds, o to 30 mph, 4 secs, some Granny, and lighter than Leaf.
But as you say everyone has their preferences, there was always a cold place on boards and Facebook for other EVs than the Leaf, pity and it's coming North.

Shefwedfan

reboot wrote: »

When I bought my first Zoe it was half the price of the Leaf, and at 22 kva CPs, charges twice as fast, just compare the thickness of the charge cable. Lots of space, the rear of the back seat unclips in about 20 the seconds, o to 30 mph, 4 secs, some Granny, and lighter than Leaf.
But as you say everyone has their preferences, there was always a cold place on boards and Facebook for other EVs than the Leaf, pity and it's coming North.

Don't mind the "Leaf Club" on here. The non-Leaf club will slowly take over :P

I got a chance to sit into a Zoe last week. I really really liked it. Now I was a fan of a little Clio my wife had years ago so I like those small french cars.

It is just a pity there is so few in market, and the low cost ones are all battery rental. I would have loved to buy one for my mother but everything was out of budget so the Leaf was the handy option.

DrPhilG

Ah come on now, the "the Leaf club"?

I'd swap my current Leaf for an Ioniq in a heartbeat even with the poor CCS coverage.

I have no brand loyalty, no matter what the debate. IPhone vs Samsung, PlayStation vs Xbox, Fifa vs PES etc. Couldn't give a damn.

The list above is purely objective. If you include the 40kwh Leaf in the argument then I think it's a clear winner.

If the best argument against is to call me "the Leaf club" than it says a lot.

To the poster who says the Zoe was much cheaper, quite possibly. But that's simply because it has high depreciation that brings second hand prices in line with its real place in the food chain unlike the full retail cost as new.

Shefwedfan

DrPhilG wrote: »

Ah come on now, the "the Leaf club"?

Seriously guys I'm winding you up :P

Also it was in regards to the quote about it been "cold place on boards and Facebook for other EVs than the Leaf"

Orebro

The poor Leaf seems to be the whipping boy at the moment but we owe it a lot in my opinion - it’s surely carried most of the weight in bringing EV to the masses and bringing EV into the public consciousness.

And for the record, I bloody love mine!

Orebro

Edit: accidental double post...

Mancomb Seepgood

I love my Leaf too,but I'm seriously considering trying to find a used Zoe ZE40 (most likely from the UK) when my PCP comes to an end in March.The extra range and flexible charging options would be really useful and I don't think I can justify the cost of another new car.

The size and power doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Mancomb Seepgood

Mancomb Seepgood wrote: »

The size and power doesn't bother me in the slightest.

You're lucky, I couldn't live with such low power.

Shefwedfan

Deleted User wrote: »

You're lucky, I couldn't live with such low power.

It's hardly a Ferrari your driving at the moment :P

P.S. I'm not saying I am driving a Ferrari either.....

reboot

At least get the club title right.
It's" The Leafy Valley Country Club"
Forecast says it's getting colder.

Shefwedfan

Shefwedfan wrote: »

It's hardly a Ferrari your driving at the moment :P

P.S. I'm not saying I am driving a Ferrari either.....

I certainly don't , and the Leaf is the minimum Hp car I would drive but the extra power is definitely more noticeable over the Zoe.

reboot

reboot wrote: »

At least get the club title right.
It's" The Leafy Valley Country Club"
Forecast says it's getting colder.

I talk good and bad about the Leaf, there are better electric cars, cars that cost a lot more and cars that are not even available.

The Ioniq is about the best right now which will most likely take a back seat once Leaf 1.5 is released.

I3 is without doubt the best affordable, if you want to call it that, car to drive right now and will put a smile on your face, it's odd looking but that will be the last think you think of behind the wheel, it's definitely a fantastic car to drive and I'm still seriously considering it.

So what makes a car best depends on what you're looking for, efficiency, range, space or fun to drive.

I like my leaf but at the same time can't wait to get something better, be it the I3 or Leaf 1.5. I hate the time it take to charge on the fast charger and the low range of the 24 Kwh, but credit to be given because it was the only decent EV at the time available.

80sDiesel

Shefwedfan wrote: »

New one looks like a Micra...a new look Micra but still a Micra

From a distance would anybody really tell the difference between a Micra, Pulsar and the new Leaf ? Which wouldnt be a bad thing i guess if they were to something to look at in the first place?

Shefwedfan

80sDiesel wrote: »

From a distance would anybody really tell the difference between a Micra, Pulsar and the new Leaf ? Which wouldnt be a bad thing i guess if they were to something to look at in the first place?

The back door on the Pulsar and Leaf are the same.

The Micra from images on web must have handle higher up in black section at window

reboot

Deleted User wrote: »

reboot wrote: »

At least get the club title right.
It's" The Leafy Valley Country Club"
Forecast says it's getting colder.

I talk good and bad about the Leaf, there are better electric cars, cars that cost a lot more and cars that are not even available.

The Ioniq is about the best right now which will most likely take a back seat once Leaf 1.5 is released.

I3 is without doubt the best affordable, if you want to call it that, car to drive right now and will put a smile on your face, it's odd looking but that will be the last think you think of behind the wheel, it's definitely a fantastic car to drive and I'm still seriously considering it.

So what makes a car best depends on what you're looking for, efficiency, range, space or fun to drive.

I like my leaf but at the same time can't wait to get something better, be it the I3 or Leaf 1.5. I hate the time it take to charge on the fast charger and the low range of the 24 Kwh, but credit to be given because it was the only decent EV at the time available.

Well said sir.

alangeorge

ok but the depreciation must be bad on these car, take the Leaf - 30kwh car .....

so when an 80kw model is out with twice the range on a single charge then no one will want the older ones, am i correct here?

italodisco

Dat der Tesla

Shefwedfan

alangeorge wrote: »

ok but the depreciation must be bad on these car, take the Leaf - 30kwh car .....

so when an 80kw model is out with twice the range on a single charge then no one will want the older ones, am i correct here?

Bit of an old thread to pull up.....More recent threads available


To your question, not really. The L24 and L30 still have a large second user market customer base.....

Orebro

The asking price today is the same as what I paid for my L24 two years ago! I could sell it tomorrow and have essentially had 2 years free motoring.

peposhi

Orebro wrote: »

The asking price today is the same as what I paid for my L24 two years ago! I could sell it tomorrow and have essentially had 2 years free motoring.

Same as above.
Try that in a Megan or Insignia...

peposhi

Just read that there were 26000 leaf sold in Europe over the last 9 months (not sure how reliable is the source but I would not be surprised if it’s even more)