Whats your opinion on police 'sting' operations?

wakka12

Where an officer disguised as a normal person approaches random people pretending to be a drug dealer ..or geting a woman to pretend shes a prostitute.. or setting up a dating site profile of an underage user and asking men to meet them..then arresting the people. Im not sure if its done in Ireland I think its more of an american thing.
It seems highly unethical in my opinion to coax somebody into commiting a crime that they may not have ordinarily wanted to commit or even considered committing. Also considering there are so many other crimes to worry about without creating criminals.
Whats your opinion


EDIT: Accidental,thought I was in after hours could mod please move this to after hours?

SeanW

I'm fine with sting operations as long as they target the kinds of crimes that actually occur.

Though I'm not sure about shows like "Bait Car" which leaves highly desirable cars in areas with lots of crime with the keys in and the engine running, I have no issue with sting operations being used to catch profligate criminals. Yes, your car can get stolen if you bring it to a place where there's lots of car crimes and leave the keys in and the engine running, but that's not how most cars are stolen, so ... no.

For example, bicycle theft is endemic in Ireland. (Car theft would be much more common too, only modern Euro/US cars have anti-theft starting procedures) So a sting operation that has an expensive looking bike, "protected" by a cheap, easy to break lock, but watched by Gardai, would be fine by me. Start rounding up the thieves and sending them down the river for a long time. There would be a lot less bike theft.

The same would be true of cars that look like they have expensive parts (and are thus attractive to "chop shops") or are Japanese imports (no anti-theft controls on JDM cars). I would be fine with a sting operation that leaves a top-of-the-line Mercedes or a JDM car in a place where it's likely to be stolen, make sure the doors are locked and the keys are nowhere around so there's no entrapment of random passing morons, and wait for a theft-gangs tow-truck to show up and arrest them. The same would be true of getting guards to dress up/act like homeless people in areas where abuse of homeless people is common, things of that nature.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

wakka12 wrote: »

Where an officer disguised as a normal person approaches random people pretending to be a drug dealer ..or geting a woman to pretend shes a prostitute.. or setting up a dating site profile of an underage user and asking men to meet them..then arresting the people. Im not sure if its done in Ireland I think its more of an american thing.
It seems highly unethical in my opinion to coax somebody into commiting a crime that they may not have ordinarily wanted to commit or even considered committing. Also considering there are so many other crimes to worry about without creating criminals.
Whats your opinion


EDIT: Accidental,thought I was in after hours could mod please move this to after hours?

This depends on your definition: what you describe here is entrapment and will never make it to court - as long as it's the cop making the initial approach. If, however, the person approaches the undercover police officer, then they are already willing to commit the crime and can be caught.

I'd be fine with it if it's to catch predators dating underage kids, but not the others. The others, I feel, are consentual adult activity.

biko

Opportunity makes the thief

ohnonotgmail

wakka12 wrote: »

Where an officer disguised as a normal person approaches random people pretending to be a drug dealer ..or geting a woman to pretend shes a prostitute.. or setting up a dating site profile of an underage user and asking men to meet them..then arresting the people. Im not sure if its done in I think its more of an american thing.
It seems highly unethical in my opinion to coax somebody into commiting a crime that they may not have ordinarily wanted to commit or even considered committing. Also considering there are so many other crimes to worry about without creating criminals.
Whats your opinion


EDIT: Accidental,thought I was in after hours could mod please move this to after hours?

how exactly do you get a woman to pretend to be a prostitute?

wakka12

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

how exactly do you get a woman to pretend to be a prostitute?

Tell her to go up to guys and ask if they want sex for money..

Gerrup Outta Dat!

wakka12 wrote: »

Tell her to go up to guys and ask if they want sex for money..

I thought the act of SOLICITING sex rather than paying for it was illegal. So if the woman started the proceedings by asking, she'd be the one breaking the law.

However, prostitution and drugs need to be legalised or at least decriminalised. If they are legal and regulated, they essentially become victimless crimes because you are removing the gang and underground elements.

I wholeheartedly agree with sting operations. For example, leave a wallet with a was of cash in it in a parked car in a scummy neighbourhood and as soon as Johnny scumbag breaks in, arrest it and sentence it to the highest possible sentence serving concurrent sentences for criminal damage to the car, breaking into the car and theft of the wallet. Crime rates will plummet. If a scumbag sees and opportunity, it won't know if it's a sting operation or not and it will think twice.

evolving_doors

wakka12 wrote: »

Where an officer disguised as a normal person approaches random people pretending to be a drug dealer ..or geting a woman to pretend shes a prostitute.. or setting up a dating site profile of an underage user and asking men to meet them..then arresting the people. Im not sure if its done in Ireland I think its more of an american thing.
It seems highly unethical in my opinion to coax somebody into commiting a crime that they may not have ordinarily wanted to commit or even considered committing. Also considering there are so many other crimes to worry about without creating criminals.
Whats your opinion


EDIT: Accidental,thought I was in after hours could mod please move this to after hours?

Twas done in 2011... they haven't done it since for some reason!
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/men-caught-in-prostitution-sting-by-undercover-gardai-enter-guilty-pleas-26799519.html

wakka12

evolving_doors wrote: »

Twas done in 2011... they haven't done it since for some reason!
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/men-caught-in-prostitution-sting-by-undercover-gardai-enter-guilty-pleas-26799519.html

Would you say the gardai were dressed in stereotypical hooker clothes? I cant see why else the men would have specifically approached the women. But if they were, thats totally bad out and is entrapment

Gerrup Outta Dat!

wakka12 wrote: »

Would you say the gardai were dressed in stereotypical hooker clothes? I cant see why else the men would have specifically approached the women. But if they were, thats totally bad out and is entrapment

Only if she wasn't wearing her hat and if she refused you her hat to sh1t into.

The Backwards Man

Maybe she could pull a rabbit out of her hat on a sting operation.

After all, every little thing she does is magic.

Gerrup Outta Dat!

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Maybe she could pull a rabbit out of her hat on a sting operation.

After all, every little thing she does is magic.

Can't get it out of my head now :mad: Gonna listen to some Police on youtube now :P

mikeysmith

I don't care what either of them do

Just as long as they don't release any new records

Donald Trump

Sting and the Police.

Every breath you take

AKA Anthem of the stalker

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