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Northern licence, address and vehicle but also work and live in RoI

  • 14-10-2017 12:42am
    #1
    Shannoncove
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1 ✭


    Hi, I have a Northern Licence and a Northern registered vehicle. I would classify my home as up north as well. I work in Dublin and also rent a room down there to save with the commute and so majority of my week I will be in Dublin. Am I required to register my vehicle down south?


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  • #2
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    If you're in Dublin for the majority of the time then you are resident in RoI regardless of where you feel "home" is.
    Customs guys will eventually stop you and ask how long you have been resident in RoI. The first time they stop you, you can say "I only arrived last week". But they keep a record, and the next time they stop you, that's going to be more difficult to get away with.


  • #3
    View
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,872 ✭✭✭View


    The answer to your questions all depend on where you are legally primarily resident. That can be complex as it depends on legal agreements that cover cases such as yours.

    You might qualify as a “cross border worker” though I would suspect not (see link below).

    If you are spending a majority of your time living & working In Dublin then your primary residency/“home” is almost certainly there. The obvious questions for your status in Dublin is your work status there - ie is it for a “permanent job” or just for a short term time-limited project - and also where you are (primarily) resident for taxes.

    Typically, when you move residence from one EU member state to another you are supposed to re-register your car, pay appropriate car taxes & get your car re-insured within a very short period (think a week or two). The rules are more forgiving for exchanging your driving license provided you have & maintain a clean record.

    The real issue though is what would happen if you were in a car crash? You would need to be absolutely certain that your U.K. insurer would cover you in a crash. They could refuse to cover your claim if you are insured on the basis that you are (permanently) living at a particular address in NI when that isn’t true. Likewise in a “worst case” car crash scenario you want to ensure that you have minimised any possible legal issues that might arise as a result of failing to comply with the relevant laws. It is simpler to err on the side of caution at the end of the day.

    Here are some links for you that show the EU law situation:

    http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/work/work-abroad/cross-border-commuters/index_en.htm

    http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/vehicles/registration/taxes/index_en.htm

    http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/vehicles/registration/formalities/index_en.htm


  • #4
    johnnyskeleton
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Mod note:

    Not a political issue. Will move to Motors forum. If you dont get your answers there, maybe try Legal Discussion for general info but note that they dont give advice.


  • #5
    Charles Babbage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,086 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    This matter is often discussed here
    for instance http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057550309&page=4

    It is fair to say that many of the posts in these threads are nonsense, such as post #2 above, and possibly others below.

    I can't quite find the relevant text on the Revenue website, which seems to have changed. It results from an EU directive, which has also been discussed in this forum, if you can find it.

    However, basically, you should register your vehicle at your "normal residence" which is where your personal and family ties are. Whether you commute daily or rent some place to stay during the week does not change this. If you have always lived in the North than your residence does not change just because you have a longer commute.

    The comments about insurance above are also relevant.

    However, you need to able to show that your normal residence is in the North. This would include participating in life there, maybe playing for a team , having bank statements etc, maybe making a balancing UK tax return. The problem is that there are many chancers who have fake or transient residence and use this to try and get a different car reg. So if you are going to do this you need to be quite clear on the rules and on your position in relation to them, if Revenue stop you, and you need some paperwork to support your case. If you are a bit vague, as you are in posting this question, then they will give you trouble. If you pass through the M1 toll get a tag and it will show the journeys, but of course if you are not making the journeys it will show this also.


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