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Trump refuses to re-certify the Iranian nuclear deal and announces new sanctions

  • 13-10-2017 6:21pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭


    I be surprised if Iran does not pull out of this deal.

    President Trump unveiled a sweeping and aggressive new policy toward Iran on Friday, saying he will not re-certify the nuclear deal signed in 2015 and calling for a variety of new sanctions against the government in Tehran.

    "The Iran deal is one of the worst and one-sided transactions the United States has ever entered into," Trump said during a speech at the White House.

    Saying the Islamic government in Tehran is dedicated to "death, destruction, and chaos all around the globe," Trump announced that the United States is adding new sanctions directed against Iran's Revolutionary Guard, which he called a supporter of international terror. The president also said he has started an investigation into whether Iran is cooperating with North Korea's nuclear weapons program.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    It all sounds very like the rhetoric and lies the US used to justify their invasion of Iraq.

    The European commision came out almost immediately after his statement and contradicted most of what he said.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    RustyNut wrote: »
    It all sounds very like the rhetoric and lies the US used to justify their invasion of Iraq.

    The European commision came out almost imediatly after his statment and contracted most of what he said.

    It's a slippery slope to a major war. Trump has made it impossible for Iran to stick with this deal. Israel will be happy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭Madagascan


    RustyNut wrote: »
    It all sounds very like the rhetoric and lies the US used to justify their invasion of Iraq.

    The European commision came out almost imediatly after his statment and contracted most of what he said.

    It's a slippery slope to a major war. Trump has made it impossible for Iran to stick with this deal. Israel will be happy.
    Yes Israel will be happy as Iran has threatened to wipe them out.
    Give Iran nuclear capabilities?
    Has the World gone mad!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Madagascan wrote: »
    Yes Israel will be happy as Iran has threatened to wipe them out.
    Give Iran nuclear capabilities?
    Has the World gone mad!

    Part that's left out. Iran threatens Israel if it's attacked. Do you expect Iran to sit and just watch Israel attack them? Israel was planning a attack late 2012 and had prepared for it and preparations were all set. Israel decided to wait to see if Romney would beat Obama and go along with their attack. They calculated wrong and Obama won a second term. The threat is real Isreal will attack Iran and only the nuclear deal kept them in check up till now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭Madagascan


    Madagascan wrote: »
    Yes Israel will be happy as Iran has threatened to wipe them out.
    Give Iran nuclear capabilities?
    Has the World gone mad!

    Part that's left out. Iran threatens Israel if it's attacked. Do you expect Iran to sit and just watch Israel attack them? Israel was planning a attack late 2012 and had prepared for it and preparations were all set. Israel decided to wait to see if Romney would beat Obama and go along with their attack. They calculated wrong and Obama won a second term. The threat is real Isreal will attack Iran and only the nuclear deal kept them in check up till now.
    No Iran unilaterally has threatened to destroy Israel.
    It's part of their religious views also.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    This was a good deal. It kept the peace. The only winners here are Israeli and American warmongers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭Madagascan


    In 2016 the Iranian defence minister said if the USA pulled out of the deal they would turn Israel into dust along with threats to other Countries and start World War 3.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭Madagascan


    This was a good deal. It kept the peace. The only winners here are Israeli and American warmongers.
    So you would give Iran a nuclear bomb?
    Now that's what I call warmongering.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    He's so desperate for a war. Trying to goad every fringe lunatic nation into firing the first shot.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,388 ✭✭✭✭Jayop


    Madagascan wrote: »
    So you would give Iran a nuclear bomb?
    Now that's what I call warmongering.

    I'd probably trust them with one more than Trumpf TFF.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Madagascan wrote: »
    No Iran unilaterally has threatened to destroy Israel.
    It's part of their religious views also.

    They both are engaged in threats. The reality is was Israel who was going to attack them. I don't play the sympathy card for Israel when they have imprisoned over 2 millions Palestinians with a economic and social blockade for decades. Israel is not going to keep themselves safe by attacking Iran.

    Israel has nuclear weapons they have the ability to take Iran and any other enemy out if needed be. It's enemies will not survive, so it's pointless war.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    Madagascan wrote: »
    So you would give Iran a nuclear bomb?
    Now that's what I call warmongering.

    The deal, prevented the bomb.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,620 ✭✭✭enfant terrible


    It's just to save face, as it was one of his campaign pledges to dump this deal.

    It will now be put to the US congress whether sanctions should be re imposed on Iran.

    The deal is seen as a good deal by people even in the Trump cabinet, so nothing will come of this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,349 ✭✭✭✭super_furry



    The deal is seen as a good deal by people even in the Trump cabinet, so nothing will come of this.

    Maybe. It depends on what he watches on Fox News tonight, if they get behind him for this, he'll chase after it all the way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,537 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    RustyNut wrote: »
    The European commision came out almost imediatly after his statment and contracted most of what he said.

    Obviously, because as usual he's in his own fantasy world. Hopefully Iran and the EU can work it out and just ignore the states


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    It's just to save face, as it was one of his campaign pledges to dump this deal.

    It will now be put to the US congress whether sanctions should be re imposed on Iran.

    The deal is seen as a good deal by people even in the Trump cabinet, so nothing will come of this.

    He has imposed new sanctions on the revolutionary guards, their ballistic missile and has targeted the Iranian economy, support for proxies group. Trump has told Congress to re-negotiate the deal, or the deal is finished. Iran will not re-negotiate the deal is finished.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Trump:"If we are not able to reach a solution by working with Congress and our allies then the agreement will be terminated," Trump said. "It can be cancelled by me, as president, at any time."

    Trump is looking for new terms or the deal is going to end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,024 ✭✭✭Carry


    Breaking: Iceland's president takes too hot bath, faints and breaks nose.

    You just have to love a country where a hot bath and a broken nose is the most internationally newsworthy item about a president.

    But no, all the US has to offer is a blustering moron and his dangerous shenanigans. Why can't he just slip in the shower and break his neck? I'm sure you'll here a global sigh of relief ...



    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/13/icelands-president-faints-and-breaks-nose-in-too-hot-bath


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,071 ✭✭✭user2011


    Madagascan wrote: »
    So you would give Iran a nuclear bomb?
    Now that's what I call warmongering.

    :confused:

    How did you get that response from the post your replying to?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,430 ✭✭✭RustyNut


    Quite the contrast between these two statements. Who would you believe.










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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,314 ✭✭✭✭branie2


    Nuclear war - thanks to Trump


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    It's only Iran ,

    Sooner or later they will be hit pretty hard either from isreal or a few others


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Pero_Bueno


    Didn't Hillary Clinton promise to invade Iran if she was president ?
    Ah sorry - she is a progressive liberal so carry on ...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,230 ✭✭✭Nate--IRL--


    Pero_Bueno wrote: »
    Didn't Hillary Clinton promise to invade Iran if she was president ?

    Who cares?

    Nate


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    Iran has a shambolic human rights record but its nowhere near as bad as Saudi Arabias who America continually do weapons deal after weapons deal with. Jekyll and Hyde foreign policy yet again from the yanks but its not surprising as the $$$$ is more important to them than any sort of morality.

    I think the middle east would be much worse also without a strong Iran. Theyve helped stop the spread of ISIS in the region.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,935 ✭✭✭Anita Blow


    Pero_Bueno wrote: »
    Didn't Hillary Clinton promise to invade Iran if she was president ?
    Ah sorry - she is a progressive liberal so carry on ...



    You're correct. Neither foreign policy nor opinions are allowed change in 10 years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,472 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Madagascan wrote: »
    No Iran unilaterally has threatened to destroy Israel.
    It's part of their religious views also.

    Was that the previous president? the one that is bared from running again? Or was it the entire country. You did say "Iran"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭BillyBobBS


    The right move by the president. It was a bad deal for the US and made a mockery of them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,472 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Who cares?

    Nate

    All the Trump supporters. They can't let her go.


    Regarding Trump himself, I doubt he could tell you a single thing in the nuclear deal.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 137 ✭✭Madagascan


    Grayson wrote: »
    Madagascan wrote: »
    No Iran unilaterally has threatened to destroy Israel.
    It's part of their religious views also.

    Was that the previous president? the one that is bared from running again? Or was it the entire country. You did say "Iran"
    All past present and future Presidents of Iran.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    There's fuck all the US/West and Israel can do about Iran's development as a regional power - the nukes thing is a red herring.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Arsemageddon


    At this stage it seems clear that Trump doesn't have any actual policies of his own. Instead he is just trying to tear up everything Obama achieved.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,568 ✭✭✭BillyBobBS


    At this stage it seems clear that Trump doesn't have any actual policies of his own. Instead he is just trying to tear up everything Obama achieved.

    Yeah that stopping North Korea from getting nuclear ICBM's was some achievement from Obama, oh wait that wasn't Obama he was too busy doing the talk show rounds telling jokes....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,439 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    "death, destruction, and chaos all around the globe," .

    Could have sworn he was talking about his own country, and people believe this ****!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,310 ✭✭✭mattser


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    You're correct. Neither foreign policy nor opinions are allowed change in 10 years.

    Saw her on The One Show on BBC last night. Still very bitter. Cringe stuff.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Arsemageddon


    BillyBobBS wrote: »
    Yeah that stopping North Korea from getting nuclear ICBM's was some achievement from Obama, oh wait that wasn't Obama he was too busy doing the talk show rounds telling jokes....

    I don't recall claiming that Obama stopped North Koreas nuclear programme.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,613 ✭✭✭server down


    Anita Blow wrote: »
    You're correct. Neither foreign policy nor opinions are allowed change in 10 years.

    She said it this campaign. Neither of those politicians have their own minds anyway. They do what they are told.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,200 ✭✭✭imme


    Trump has passed the issue to the US Congress.
    He has told them to negotiate.

    This is not possible, the deal is a multilateral one.

    He is working hard to make the US presidency less and less relevant to the world.

    His description of a billion dollars being flown to Iran as part of the deal made me laugh.

    I thought of the 20 billion dollars that isis simply took from banks in iraq when they walked through the us backed ghost armies of Iraq.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,027 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Iran's supreme leader is opposed to having nuclear weapons, and they've a long history with opposition to weapons of mass destruction like chemical weapons.

    It's a low bar, but they're probably the most liberal of the Middle East nations, especially since Rouhani has been in power. They've got a very young population, who are starting to become highly educated. If there's any nation in the Middle East that Western nations should be closer tied to, it's Iran imo.


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