M20

the beer revolu

The M20 Cork to Limerick motorway had finally been announced by Leo.
Bout time.

I wonder how long before we see it.
I'll optimistically say 7 years.

Dbu

the beer revolu wrote: »

The M20 Cork to Limerick motorway had finally been announced by Leo.
Bout time.

I wonder how long before we see it.
I'll optimistically say 7 years.

Its took 10 years to sort Buttevant out, but I love your optimism

the beer revolu

Dbu wrote: »

Its took 10 years to sort Buttevant out, but I love your optimism

How has Buttevant been sorted?

Dbu

the beer revolu wrote: »

How has Buttevant been sorted?

New main street, footpaths....etc etc???
Have you ever driven though it in the last decade?

flo8s967qjh0nd

the beer revolu wrote: »

The M20 Cork to Limerick motorway had finally been announced by Leo.
Bout time.

I wonder how long before we see it.
I'll optimistically say 7 years.

7 is very optimistic. By the time planning, compulsory purchase, funding is sorted, we'll be lucky if construction has started in seven years. No reason why they can't do a sod-turning though.

the beer revolu

Dbu wrote: »

New main street, footpaths....etc etc???
Have you ever driven though it in the last decade?

Yes many times.
I just don't see how a facelift to a small village and its timescale have anything to do with the planning and building of a motorway..One would be a local county council job, the other on a national scale..
I didn't expect someone to compare the two, hence my confusion.

Dbu

the beer revolu wrote: »

Yes many times.
I just don't see how a facelift to a small village and its timescale have anything to do with the planning and building of a motorway..One would be a local county council job, the other on a national scale..
I didn't expect someone to compare the two, hence my confusion.

Fair enough, apologies for confusing you.

Roger Hassenforder

the beer revolu wrote: »

Yes many times.
I just don't see how a facelift to a small village and its timescale have anything to do with the planning and building of a motorway..One would be a local county council job, the other on a national scale..
I didn't expect someone to compare the two, hence my confusion.

I imagine they're both NRA/TII projects?

the beer revolu

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

I imagine they're both NRA/TII projects?

I doubt it.

Roger Hassenforder

the beer revolu wrote: »

I doubt it.

One of us is wrong so...

Missyelliot2

Draven Beautiful Firehouse wrote: »

7 is very optimistic. By the time planning, compulsory purchase, funding is sorted, we'll be lucky if construction has started in seven years. No reason why they can't do a sod-turning though.

7 is definitely wishful thinking. The road is deadly- i really do pity people that have to use it as a regular commute.

dw40

Huge positive for the region. I think it may come sooner than expected.

Interesting how Pascal left it out of the budget on Tuesday so that Leo could grab it with both hands and make plenty of spin out of it! The Department of Spin appears to be cranking it up already.

I'd have huge doubts about the project being delivered in any timely fashion if Leo wasn't all over this. He is quoted as saying "It is a project that is essential to our future national development and one that I am personally committed to achieving".

Also the announcement was well orchestrated to coincide with the FF Ard Fheis and thus will be an obvious barometer going forward from his opponents. So either Leo has drawn the sword he (and FG) will fall on over the next number of years in the context of promises to the SW or he is laying early claim to what is one of the biggest national infrastructural projects to be built outside of Dublin. At the moment, I'm hedging on the latter!

j8wk2feszrnpao

dw40 wrote: »

I'd have huge doubts about the project being delivered in any timely fashion if Leo wasn't all over this.

Words. Leo is just another politician. Until it’s delivered his words mean nothing.

dw40

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Words. Leo is just another politician. Until it’s delivered his words mean nothing.

I suppose you’re right business should be conducted in silence without a single word uttered!! Just let the bull dozers rock in some morning to the surprise of the land owners :-)))

boardsuser1

2027 is realistic providing there’s no further issues.

I can’t see it happening before 2023 even if the rugby World Cup is held here.

walsh08

Won't be open before 2030 I reckon.

We all know how long it takes for anything to get done in this country.

I often wondered is the M8 route to Limerick any better than the N20?

boardsuser1

walsh08 wrote: »

Won't be open before 2030 I reckon.

We all know how long it takes for anything to get done in this country.

I often wondered is the M8 route to Limerick any better than the N20?

Only cost,nothing more.

Joining the M20 shadowing the N20 to the M40 is the best solution all around.

the beer revolu

walsh08 wrote: »

I often wondered is the M8 route to Limerick any better than the N20?

No, no, no, no, no!
You want all the west coast traffic along with Dublin traffic and east coast traffic going the same way out of Cork?

boardsuser1

the beer revolu wrote: »

No, no, no, no, no!
You want all the west coast traffic along with Dublin traffic and east coast traffic going the same way out of Cork?

Imagine the Dunkettle roundabout :eek:

j8wk2feszrnpao

dw40 wrote: »

I suppose you’re right business should be conducted in silence without a single word uttered!!

Yeah, that’s exactly what I said.

frantic2000

It's impossible get a decent map of the planned route but do I understand correctly that they want all the traffic coming down the N22, through the tunnel and out that way?

Roger Hassenforder

dw40 wrote: »

I suppose you’re right business should be conducted in silence without a single word uttered!! Just let the bull dozers rock in some morning to the surprise of the land owners :-)))

I dont think thats how they build stuff!

FutureGuy

How would a bypass of Charleville affect the town I wonder?

Shn99

FutureGuy wrote: »

How would a bypass of Charleville affect the town I wonder?

Charleville is already a dump, probably not much

Jeju

FutureGuy wrote:

How would a bypass of Charleville affect the town I wonder?

Trade will be lost typically to petrol stations and diners, but once the bottleneck is gone it should make the town a more attractive option to become a commuter town. When travelling from A to B people tend to try not stop, with or without a bypass

zilog_jones

Cork to Limerick is only about 100 km, and can be done in about 90 minutes when traffic is light. I travel this regularly and rarely need to stop along the way, so can't imagine Charleville will be impacted much by the loss of patronage by intercity traffic.

roundymac

I remember all the fuss when the byepass was being built around Midleton, "that it would be a ghost town etc" now look at it.

marno21

The main places that will be affected by the M20 are the stops along the route, Centra in Charleville, Mallow N20 Plaza etc. These two are regularly busy because the N20 is frustrating enough to make people stop and stretch the legs.

These two places in particular will still be busy post M20 as the towns will still have traffic through them and the Mallow one will still be used by N72 traffic, especially if the northern route of the N72 Relief Road is chosen.

The old M20 plan had a motorway service area included at either 3/4km north of Charleville or Rathduff. It remains to be seen if M20 nua will have a motorway service area.

marno21

frantic2000 wrote: »

It's impossible get a decent map of the planned route but do I understand correctly that they want all the traffic coming down the N22, through the tunnel and out that way?

The planned route isn't decided yet as the M20 nua scheme hasn't actually reached that stage yet, it's just passed a feasibility study (surprise surprise) and will move onto initial design and route selection when funding of €3-4m is provided.

Regarding the North Ring, the M20 cannot go ahead without some sort of a North Ring. The old M20 plan was to build the NRR East from Glanmire (Killydonoghue) to the M20 near Killeens. A seperate NRR West would go via Blarney and tie in with the Ballincollig bypass at the Poulavone roundabout. The NRR West seems to be in terminal suspension and the NRR East will likely be activated as part of the M20 due to traffic distribution requirements. The NRR East unfortunately requires traffic to be shoved through Dunkettle and the Tunnel. There isn't even a regional route between Blarney and the west of the city at present.