Green light/filter light

andreoilin

Can you legally make a right turn when there is a solid green light but the green arrow filter light has not lit up? (Obviously taking into account oncoming traffic)

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andreoilin wrote: »

Can you legally make a right turn when there is a solid green light but the green arrow filter light has not lit up? (Obviously taking into account oncoming traffic)

It depends.
if there is no red showing you can, with traffic still moving both direction and no specific right of way being giving. Whereas if the filter light is green you specifically have right of way

Edit: in this case there is a red controlling the turn as well


whereas i presume you are meaning in a set light the below with the arrow unlit, which is fine subject to oncoming traffic

dil999

andreoilin wrote: »

Can you legally make a right turn when there is a solid green light but the green arrow filter light has not lit up? (Obviously taking into account oncoming traffic)

Solid green light means you can enter the junction and exit left, right or straight on, unless there is a red arrow prohibiting you from one of those exits. For example a green solid light and and a right red arrow, means you can exit left or straight on

mikeecho

andreoilin wrote: »

Can you legally make a right turn when there is a solid green light but the green arrow filter light has not lit up? (Obviously taking into account oncoming traffic)

Yes

What gets on my tits is when the light goes green and some dickhead doesnt move into the junction so the filter light never comes on.

Or there is a junction near me where bigger dickheads move into the junction (turning right) but block the left lane while there is tons of room.

andreoilin

BrownFinger wrote: »

What gets on my tits is when the light goes green and some dickhead doesnt move into the junction so the filter light never comes on.

I've sometimes been hesitant about moving into the junction on a solid green light because the green arrow doesn't always come on after that and then you're left sitting in the middle of the road on red.

biko

The solid green means it's fine to enter and turn any direction. Note that cars coming towards you also have solid green and you must yield to them (as you are turning).

If there is a green arrow pointing right it means the cars coming the other way has red so you have right of way.

cjt156

andreoilin wrote: »

I've sometimes been hesitant about moving into the junction on a solid green light because the green arrow doesn't always come on after that and then you're left sitting in the middle of the road on red.

If you move into position with a green (circle) light you are entitled to complete the manoeuvre once the red has lit. You don't want to be stranded in the junction.
In fact you should move in to the junction; many many years ago I failed my first (motorbike) test for repeatedly not doing so.

roper1664

andreoilin wrote: »

I've sometimes been hesitant about moving into the junction on a solid green light because the green arrow doesn't always come on after that and then you're left sitting in the middle of the road on red.

In that case, you clear the junction, even when it turns red, as long as it is safe to do so watching out for pedestrians and other road users.

andreoilin

Sometimes it's not possible to clear the junction once the light's gone red though because some of the oncoming cars have come through an amber/red at the last second which means other sides of traffic are already going on their green, if that makes sense.

roper1664

andreoilin wrote: »

Sometimes it's not possible to clear the junction once the light's gone red though because some of the oncoming cars have come through an amber/red at the last second which means other sides of traffic are already going on their green, if that makes sense.

The road position you'd have taken in the junction means that you will be blocking traffic coming from the right already. For someone coming towards you to go through the red light after the cars from your left have started moving, would be a rare occurrence (but be careful they do not). Also, for traffic coming from both your left and right, the rules of the road says that on approach to a green light, you may proceed if it's safe to do so, so they should yield.

Best to read the ROTR on this as it gives more detail.

Isambard

BrownFinger wrote: »

What gets on my tits is when the light goes green and some dickhead doesnt move into the junction so the filter light never comes on.

Or there is a junction near me where bigger dickheads move into the junction (turning right) but block the left lane while there is tons of room.

If the main light is a full green the filter light won't come on necessarily, it isn't needed. In a case where it does come on after the main light, it's telling you you have priority over oncoming traffic.

I have often come across people who won't turn without the green arrow, it's so stupid and frustrating, green means go, it's red that means stop people!

roper1664

..and there should be only one car in the junction waiting to turn right from either direction. Car behind should wait behind the white line.

(in follow up to my last post)

RandomAccess

I thought this was going to be about the alarming number of people who turn left/right when there is a filter only lit for straight ahead.

I've seen so many pedestrians nearly get run-over it's just ridiculous!

It's an epidemic in Dublin.. I don't understand why though...

They would never have passed a driving test if they did it.

Vic_08

andreoilin wrote: »

Sometimes it's not possible to clear the junction once the light's gone red though because some of the oncoming cars have come through an amber/red at the last second which means other sides of traffic are already going on their green, if that makes sense.

What does your driving instructor say in these situations?

pm1977x

RandomAccess wrote: »

I thought this was going to be about the alarming number of people who turn left/right when there is a filter only lit for straight ahead.

I've seen so many pedestrians nearly get run-over it's just ridiculous!

It's an epidemic in Dublin.. I don't understand why though...

They would never have passed a driving test if they did it.

Agreed, have been beeped several times while waiting on the filter arrow, some people see a green straight arrow and think they're free to turn right on it.

hi5

RandomAccess wrote: »

I thought this was going to be about the alarming number of people who turn left/right when there is a filter only lit for straight ahead.

I've seen so many pedestrians nearly get run-over it's just ridiculous!

It's an epidemic in Dublin.. I don't understand why though...

They would never have passed a driving test if they did it.

It's not just Dublin, It happens all the time at a particular set of lights in Kilkenny.
I just pointed the illegality of this out the other day and was told I know nothing about the rules of the road.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104949478&postcount=509

Isambard

hi5 wrote: »

It's not just Dublin, It happens all the time at a particular set of lights in Kilkenny.
I just pointed the illegality of this out the other day and was told I know nothing about the rules of the road.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104949478&postcount=509

astounding that people would not get a green arrow means go in that direction only. I think people believe what they want to and make up their own "laws"

dil999

Isambard wrote: »

astounding that people would not get a green arrow means go in that direction only. I think people believe what they want to and make up their own "laws"

It makes you wonder, if a person cannot comprehend a basic signed instruction, how hard must it be for them to navigate more complex daily task.

Isambard

dil999 wrote: »

It makes you wonder, if a person cannot comprehend a basic signed instruction, how hard must it be for them to navigate more complex daily task.

i suspect they wear slip on shoes

RandomAccess

The RSA needs to run a campaign..
Someone is going to die otherwise, if they haven't already.

It needs to be "small... Farrr awayy" clear.

Charles Babbage

hi5 wrote: »

It's not just Dublin, It happens all the time at a particular set of lights in Kilkenny.
I just pointed the illegality of this out the other day and was told I know nothing about the rules of the road.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=104949478&postcount=509

Cameras should be mounted on these junctions to detect this, more effective than any RSA campaign.

In relation to the general thread. You can go left, right, or straight from a green ball light, unless restricted by a no right turn sign or the like.

meathstevie

andreoilin wrote: »

Can you legally make a right turn when there is a solid green light but the green arrow filter light has not lit up? (Obviously taking into account oncoming traffic)

It's not can you, you have to. A full circle green light obliges you to proceed with all normal due care. Unless there's a good reason why you can't ( broken down etc etc ) you would be obstructing traffic.

Isambard

meathstevie wrote: »

It's not can you, you have to. A full circle green light obliges you to proceed with all normal due care. Unless there's a good reason why you can't ( broken down etc etc ) you would be obstructing traffic.

and how would you know there was a green arrow until it lit up? It's only red means stop (OK and orange)

gonko

andreoilin wrote: »

I've sometimes been hesitant about moving into the junction on a solid green light because the green arrow doesn't always come on after that and then you're left sitting in the middle of the road on red.

You shouldn't be driving then. Solid green means you move and wait to complete the turn when safe to do so, regardless of filter light.

Seriously, if you cannot do this simple task, park up the car and take the bus.

RandomAccess

It can happen that the light goes red while you are in the junction. But you are in the junction so own it and complete the manoeuvre.

It's irritating when knobs break the red light in that circumstance though. It can be a bit of a game of chicken. In City driving you need to assert yourself at times.