Thinking about moving to England as a secular young person I need advice

ProgrammerC

Hello,

I'm 17 years old who is highly interested in Computer Science, Math and Evolutionary Biology person that currently live in the Turkey. After I've finished high school here, I don't want to study university in the Turkey, I know that Anatolian culture can't teach me science and right now teaching evolution is completely removed from the curriculum in the Turkey. There is no way I can live in the Turkey, because culturally it is unsuitable for me and as an atheist person they don't like atheists here that's why I won't be able to share my opinions. I don't know do you have any idea about current government of Turkey ? But It's really shameful for that country which is founded by Atatürk. Ignorance ruling Turkish society for a long time and ignorance is an accepted norm in this society since 1950s..

I'm writing these things because you should understand my situation before making suggestions for me.

I want to be succesful computer programmer and I'm improving myself as much as possible on this topic. Unfortunately, I don't have enough money to study in an Anglosphere country I can't afford that. I can pay yearly max. €3000-4000 for the tuition fees. That's why I've been making researchment about universities in the Poland for a long time and I've decided to prefer Wrocław University of Science and Technology.

After I got my CS degree in Poland I'll try to gain some experiences in Poland. Then I'll try to apply Tier-2 visa or I don't know as a programmer which way would be best for me to getting residence in the UK ?

I've decided on England because it is a Christian country but society is a secular (more secular than Americans) quite much non-religious people live in the UK and history, freedom really good in there. Also in the UK weather is proper for me I love rainy days and small houses, streets seem really lovely to me.

I think England might be a good choice for me I can contribute that society but I don't know with Polish degree can I find a software company for the Tier-2 visa. I need your suggestions for me.

Thanks.

amtc

This is an Irish site

Fysh

amtc wrote: »

This is an Irish site

And the post was, quite correctly, in the United Kingdom section which is for threads about living in or moving to the UK. If you can't post something helpful, please don't bother posting.

OP: I'm sure you've already been doing this, but I would review the Tier 2 visa program information, specifically the eligibility criteria.

You'll need to be able to get a sponsor for a job paying £30K per annum (unless you're working in a field where exceptions apply, but programming isn't one at present), which isn't going to be easy - the average salary in the UK is around £25K, and without first getting experience you'll find it hard to be considered for a suitable job. So give thought to what languages you focus on to try and match those in most demand - according to this recent article, for example, Java, Python and SQL are in the top five.

It's also worth noting that it will almost certainly become at least somewhat harder to get in under future visa programs after Brexit is implemented.
If you're seri

razorblunt

You could try the Graduate Programme route once you finish your Degree in Poland.
Those companies would handle the Visa side of things for you.

ProgrammerC

Fysh wrote: »

And the post was, quite correctly, in the United Kingdom section which is for threads about living in or moving to the UK. If you can't post something helpful, please don't bother posting.

OP: I'm sure you've already been doing this, but I would review the visa program information, specifically the eligibility criteria.

You'll need to be able to get a sponsor for a job paying £30K per annum (unless you're working in a field where exceptions apply, but programming isn't one at present), which isn't going to be easy - the average salary in the UK is around £25K, and without first getting experience you'll find it hard to be considered for a suitable job. So give thought to what languages you focus on to try and match those in most demand - according to , for example, Java, Python and SQL are in the top five.

It's also worth noting that it will almost certainly become at least somewhat harder to get in under future visa programs after Brexit is implemented.
If you're seri

Thank you very much for your precious comment for me I appreciate that.

I know as a computer programmer it won't be an easy process for me but if I'm not wrong, as far as I know computer programming jobs are in demand in the world and in the future it will be. I also think Brexit was a good decision for the British society I know for the immigrants there will be stricter process but nevertheless I'm sure I'll find a way.

Yes, I've been searching for the Tier-2 visa and I saw Intra-company Transfer option. Maybe if I work for an international company in the Poland then I can be able to transferred by that company to the England via Tier 2 Intra-company Transfer visa.

razorblunt wrote: »

You could try the Graduate Programme route once you finish your Degree in Poland.
Those companies would handle the Visa side of things for you.

Thanks for your help.

I didn't know about that program I'll search about that. Also in the future Brexit will be a problem for that program ?

razorblunt

Brexit is going to be a problem for a lot of things and people.

ProgrammerC

razorblunt wrote: »

Brexit is going to be a problem for a lot of things and people.

I don't agree with you I think that was a logical decision if you compare with problems such as Muslim population or other debt crisis in EU.. etc. you'll understand that. Multiculturalism is destroying Western culture and we shouldn't let it happen.

I've explained my own opinions in another forum but I can't share link here (because I'm new member) So, I'll paste my opinions here if you wonder you can read it.

wrote:

As a foreigner, who thinking to settle down in the England in the future I think Brexit was a good decision for the British society. Immigration laws should be stricter in the the UK because in social media or videos that I've watched on the Youtube I've seen so many immigrants in the UK just complaining about everything. Look at the Muslims, they're escaping countries which are based on Sharia law and then they're demanding Sharia courts in the London! They're disrespecting to the British society. It's a free country but that doesn't mean you can insult that society and protest anything you want.

Western civilization and security more important than economy. With Western culture you've science, medicine, democracy, laws, formal education.. everything we need in the 21st century and in the future. With those things you can rebuild your country.

After I got my CS degree, I'll try to settle down in the England as a computer programmer and I'm sure I'll contribute that society and deserve that also I'll live just like the other British citizens. Actually, culture of British society made me excited and that's why I'm preferring to live in there.

Of course I might be wrong about my opinions because I don't live in the UK and that's why I can't see the whole picture.

Pelvis

ProgrammerC wrote: »

Multiculturalism is destroying Western culture and we shouldn't let it happen.

Says the guy from Turkey wanting to move to England...

ProgrammerC

Pelvis wrote: »

Says the guy from Turkey wanting to move to England...

I guess you didn't even read my first post in this topic right ? I can repeat it here:

"Turkey, culturally is unsuitable for me and as an atheist person they don't like atheists here that's why I won't be able to share my opinions."

also in my last post I said:

"I'll live just like the other British citizens. Actually, culture of British society made me excited and that's why I'm preferring to live in there."

I like Western culture and that's why I want to settle down in England. I think if someone don't want to be assimilated then he or she should stay in his/her country.

srsly78

The whole point of Brexit was they don't want foreigners coming to their country - even nice secular foreigners that will assimilate. And yes it's irrelevant because Turkey is not even in the EU, but neither is Pakistan - there is no logic behind it. They don't even want Europeans coming to UK now.

So go study anywhere BUT the UK.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

srsly78 wrote: »

The whole point of Brexit was they don't want foreigners coming to their country.

Eh no, no it wasn't. Do try again.

ProgrammerC

srsly78 wrote: »

The whole point of Brexit was they don't want foreigners coming to their country - even nice secular foreigners that will assimilate. And yes it's irrelevant because Turkey is not even in the EU, but neither is Pakistan - there is no logic behind it. They don't even want Europeans coming to UK now.

So go study anywhere BUT the UK.

There are so many Anglosphere country in the world. Especially Canada and NZ has skilled worker programmes and U.S much cheaper than UK but nevertheless my heart tells me: "go to the UK". I don't know in the future maybe I can change my mind but English society just seems more secular more proper for me. Even though I'll make less money than U.S, I'll live in the smaller apartments but I don't care about these facts. Culture, education, stable politics, health insurance, BBC, safety etc.. more important for me.

Thanks a lot for your valuable opinons for me.

murphthesmurf

ProgrammerC wrote: »

I don't agree with you I think that was a logical decision if you compare with problems such as Muslim population or other debt crisis in EU.. etc. you'll understand that. Multiculturalism is destroying Western culture and we shouldn't let it happen.

I've explained my own opinions in another forum but I can't share link here (because I'm new member) So, I'll paste my opinions here if you wonder you can read it.



Of course I might be wrong about my opinions because I don't live in the UK and that's why I can't see the whole picture.

I like this guy. It is a real surprise to hear someone from a prodominantly Muslim country talk that way. I expect athiests in Turkey are very rare.
Just a question though op, you do realise that Ireland isn't a part of the UK? From the way you were talking in some of your posts I'm not sure if you realise.
You chose a good career path with computer programming, I am from England originally but I couldn't really give you much advice on how to get in as I have no experience.
Good luck though.

ProgrammerC

murphthesmurf wrote: »

I like this guy. It is a real surprise to hear someone from a prodominantly Muslim country talk that way. I expect athiests in Turkey are very rare.
Just a question though op, you do realise that Ireland isn't a part of the UK? From the way you were talking in some of your posts I'm not sure if you realise.
You chose a good career path with computer programming, I am from England originally but I couldn't really give you much advice on how to get in as I have no experience.
Good luck though.

Yes, I know that I think Republic of Ireland seems cute country to me, I heard divorce rate were high in there is it true?

Also as far as I know in Britain most conservative country is Ireland.

In the Turkey, non-religious community is growing. So many reasonable Turk just leaving Islam and that's a good sign but politically it is worsening because politics have been dominated by Islamists.

srsly78

Ireland is not part of the UK, and is actually more progressive in many ways - especially when it comes to welcoming foreigners.

SmartinMartin

Ok now you've convinced me, this is a ****ing wind -up.

You are making life difficult for yourself - why don't you get your degree at home and then move here as a skilled person?

I know a Turk who got some western European experience on Erasmus and then studied for a post grad here. It was easier to come as a post grad and then get established.

ProgrammerC

Deleted User wrote: »

You are making life difficult for yourself - why don't you get your degree at home and then move here as a skilled person?

I know a Turk who got some western European experience on Erasmus and then studied for a post grad here. It was easier to come as a post grad and then get established.

As I said before, I'm having political and religious problems in the Turkey, studying in here will be much difficult for me. IT industry is better in the Poland and I can get lots of life experiences in there so that these experiences will make my life much easier in the west.

Also just think about, if I get my degree in the Turkey then my degree won't be recognized without experience in the neither in western Europe nor eastern Europe that means after graduation I'll be needed to gain my experience in the Turkey. I can't spend 5-6 years (included BS education) in the Turkey thats a lot of time. Post graduate is not cheap in the west, I'll be needed so much money for this that's not such a good option.

So, at least with Polish degree I can work in the Poland and gain some experience and then move to the west. With only English I'll be able to find programming jobs in the Poland.

Thanks for your suggestion.