another car/luas accident on red line

Xterminator

The disruption the guilty party causes should be penalised. just seems to happen too frequently.

https://www.thesun.ie/news/1623248/emergency-services-rush-to-scene-of-crash-between-car-and-luas-as-red-line-trams-disrupted-in-dublin-city-centre/

some good pictures.

Stephen15

I wonder how often it happens in other cities with tram systems?

Dravokivich

Too frequently? When was the last time it happened?

Stephen15,
If people took heed of the lights, there wouldn't be any.

UK has a lot of problems with drivers rushing through railway crossings. So this isn't really a unique issue here.

Xterminator

last one i remember was cheeverstown

Red Line: no service between Saggart and Belgard due to issue @ Cheeverstown. See https://www.luas.ie/travel-updates/ . Apologies for the inconvenience.10:11 am - 29 Sep 2017

Ce he sin

Stephen15 wrote: »

I wonder how often it happens in other cities with tram systems?

Quite a lot, is the answer. Trams are involved in many more collisions than cars - that is tram/car collisions are more common than car/car ones.

Del.Monte

Ce he sin wrote: »

Quite a lot, is the answer. Trams are involved in many more collisions than cars - that is tram/car collisions are more common than car/car ones.

Righty!

RobbieTheRobber

Ce he sin wrote: »

Quite a lot, is the answer. Trams are involved in many more collisions than cars - that is tram/car collisions are more common than car/car ones.

No no I don't think so.

wordofwarning

In order to reduce the number of people committing suicides on the high speed trains in Japan, they started to make the families pay the financial cost of the delays as a result of the suicide

I would personally be in favour of the same in Ireland. If you decide to run a red light and crash into the tram, you should be liable for the damage and the cost of the luas being out of service for a time period. Don't make the insurer pick up the tab. Make the person who broke the law liable for it

I imagine a few cases of people being indebted to the tune of €75k over breaking a red light would hammer home the message of don't break reds

Ce he sin

RobbieTheRobber wrote: »

No no I don't think so.

If you take Wiki as gospel (and who wouldn't?) :

"The research indicates that for each kilometre travelled, trams are 12 times more likely to be involved in a serious accident than a car"

Atlantic Dawn

What is the outcome of these collisions if the car driver is in the wrong? Are their insurers billed for damage to the LUAS and more importantly for loss of revenue for LUAS which might be circa €100k an hour at rush hour. I know if a taxi driver is hit by another motorist they normally get loss of earnings included in their claims while the car is being repaired.

coylemj

Ce he sin wrote: »

Quite a lot, is the answer. Trams are involved in many more collisions than cars - that is tram/car collisions are more common than car/car ones.

Ce he sin wrote: »

If you take Wiki as gospel (and who wouldn't?) :

"The research indicates that for each kilometre travelled, trams are 12 times more likely to be involved in a serious accident than a car"

That is not the same as saying that there are more tram/car accidents than car/car accidents which is what you said earlier. That statistic (if it is to be believed - source other than Wiki?) means that per unit of distance travelled, a tram will have 12x more accidents but there are 1,000's times more cars on the roads than trams. So numerically there will always be more car/car accidents.

Cookie_Monster

Horror Collision? Makes it sound like 50+ people killed or something, not a minor fender bender.
Top class journalism

hmmm

Someone who can pull out in front of a great big tram could easily do this to a cyclist with much worse results - it should mean loss of license and being forced to retake the test.

highdef

I'm sure it has been mentioned before but the tram operators need to install a turnback either just before or after Heuston, plus the ability to isolate the power from thereon. Turnback on the stretch between Heuston and Museum would be ideal. This will mean that any incidents that occur north of the Liffey (where the vast majority occur) will result in trams travelling as far as Heuston.
Not only is this closer to the city centre but it's at a proper transport interchange that can cope with tram loads of people whilst they transfer to an alternative mode of transport, be it train/bus/taxi/foot/whatever.

The current set-up of Blackhorse being the turnback point for any incidents in the city centre borders on ridiculous for a number of reasons:

• A lot of people will be unfamiliar with the area and will be unsure where to go to get the nearest bus stop.
• The nearest city bound bus stop involves crossing two roads, one of them being very busy. A couple of 100 people exodusing a tram and heading for the nearest bus stop along narrow footpaths is a hazard in itself.
• The nearest bus stop is situated on a narrow footpath on the very busy Tyrconnell Road. From a safety POV, it is unable to accommodate the number of people that would be expected when a tram unexpectedly terminates at Blackhorse.
• Walking to the city centre (where the majority of people will be going) can arguably be considered to be not an option for most. At about 5km distance, this would take the guts of an hour for a healthy person, bit less if doing it briskly and not even possible for a lot of people.

Anyone know why the turnback (and assuming power isolation) is located where it is and not in much more logical place of just north of Hueston?

Markcheese

Feic sake, those trams keep jumping the rails and smacking cars... Its got to stop..

Red Light cameras... Plus if theres a particular junction that keeps causing problems stick on level crossing style light and bells... Well maybe not...

magicbastarder

Stephen15 wrote: »

I wonder how often it happens in other cities with tram systems?

IIRC, when they reintroduced trams to Madrid, they had roughly twice as many collisions per tram as Dublin.