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Sinn Fein Councillor Scales City Hall With Catalonian Flag

  • 02-10-2017 7:33pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,973 ✭✭✭


    Former Fianna Fáil TD Chris Andrews claimed it was a gesture of solidarity with the Catalonian people.

    He said "We had flown the Palestinian flag before so I thought it would be a good thing".

    Is it a good thing, flying flags from Irish public buildings in support of foreign political causes?

    Personally I thought it was inappropriate to fly the tricolour at half mast on public buildings after 9/11 and feel the same about this.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Doltanian


    Alot more deserving than the Palestinian flag in all fairness. One promotes terrorism whilst the Catalonians are merely trying to self-determine and the Spanish State have acted like thugs against their internationally recognised right to self-determination.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,268 ✭✭✭✭uck51js9zml2yt


    He could have fallen off.would have been such a loss..yawn


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭Arsemageddon


    That Andrews fell is an awful pillock


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,472 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Did he actually scale the walls or use stairs?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,516 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    How about DCC start concerning themselves with stuff happening in the city instead of trying to get publicity from foreign media?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭brightspark


    Isn't it ironic that he represents a party that wants to unite this country, but is willing to accept that a region of Spain wants to be separate?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Doltanian


    Isn't it ironic that he represents a party that wants to unite this country, but is willing to accept that a region of Spain wants to be separate?

    Wheras the Catholic Nationalist in Northern Ireland want to seperate from the UK and self-determine to join a United Ireland. Its the same thing, the majority trying to crush the aspirations of the minority.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭brightspark


    Doltanian wrote: »
    Wheras the Catholic Nationalist in Northern Ireland want to seperate from the UK and self-determine to join a United Ireland. Its the same thing, the majority trying to crush the aspirations of the minority.

    That ignores the rights of the Unionists who don't want to be part of the Republic.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,863 ✭✭✭seachto7


    Doltanian wrote: »
    Wheras the Catholic Nationalist in Northern Ireland want to seperate from the UK and self-determine to join a United Ireland. Its the same thing, the majority trying to crush the aspirations of the minority.

    How many Catalans don't want independence? How many of them didn't vote last weekend?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,008 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    Doltanian wrote: »
    Alot more deserving than the Palestinian flag in all fairness. One promotes terrorism whilst the Catalonians are merely trying to self-determine and the Spanish State have acted like thugs against their internationally recognised right to self-determination.

    Defending yourself against European colonialism and ethnic cleansing isn't terrorism, it's resistance. :rolleyes:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 951 ✭✭✭Floki


    seachto7 wrote: »
    How many Catalans don't want independence? How many of them didn't vote last weekend?

    There should be another vote. This time without the violence and taking of ballot box's.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    What a tit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,425 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Former Fianna Fáil TD Chris Andrews claimed it was a gesture of solidarity with the Catalonian people.

    He said "We had flown the Palestinian flag before so I thought it would be a good thing".

    Is it a good thing, flying flags from Irish public buildings in support of foreign political causes?

    Personally I thought it was inappropriate to fly the tricolour at half mast on public buildings after 9/11 and feel the same about this.

    Which city?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Isn't it ironic that he represents a party that wants to unite this country, but is willing to accept that a region of Spain wants to be separate?

    That's not irony.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    That's not irony.

    I think Alanis Morrisette could write a song about it,


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    Minority = oppressed by definition for Chris and those like him.

    While the Spanish police were heavy handed, simply refusing to acknowledge the election would have been far more effective in crushing the illegality of any attempts to implement the vote results of the vote.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,973 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Former Fianna Fáil TD Chris Andrews claimed it was a gesture of solidarity with the Catalonian people.

    He said "We had flown the Palestinian flag before so I thought it would be a good thing".

    Is it a good thing, flying flags from Irish public buildings in support of foreign political causes?

    Personally I thought it was inappropriate to fly the tricolour at half mast on public buildings after 9/11 and feel the same about this.

    Which city?

    Dublin

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Ipso wrote: »
    I think Alanis Morrisette could write a song about it,

    She'd only get it wrong.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,048 ✭✭✭Rumpy Pumpy


    The drink is a terrible thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,166 ✭✭✭Are Am Eye


    Andrews has a great affinity and compassion for the people in Spain having done two weeks with the lads in Torremolinos when he was twenty.
    He believes that if he moves his Che Guevara poster a bit to the left in his bedroom he can fit a Catalan flag alongside his Palestine flag.
    Either way Bobby Sands has some competition on his hands in the republican halls of fame.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    Floki wrote: »
    There should be another vote. This time without the violence and taking of ballot box's.

    The first vote should have been without the violence and taking of ballot boxes.

    The irony is that usually states that disrupt elections do it to ensure the result is in their favour. The Spanish rulers ensured that anyone not strongly in favour of the thing stayed away and most of those people would have been on their side.

    Not only that but the animosity they have caused will push more people towards independence so a second non-disrupted vote is far more likely to go for independence than the first one would have if they had not interfered.

    If it wasn't for the disgusting way their police treated peaceful citizens their laughably bad decisions would be funny.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,973 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Will Chris Andrews or any members of Sinn Fein travel to Kurdistan to express solidarity with their independence referendum? This referendum had a turnout of 73% and passed by 93% to 7%

    "Brutality" here will mean more than a kick in the hole, a baton or being pushed down the stairs.
    This could be the start of a protracted civil war and draw in Iraq, Iran, Turkey and Syria. As well as the Saudis, eager to extend their proxy war with Iran.
    Maybe Chris can send some strongly worded anonymous tweets.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,973 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    Vic_08 wrote: »
    Floki wrote: »
    There should be another vote. This time without the violence and taking of ballot box's.

    The first vote should have been without the violence and taking of ballot boxes.

    The irony is that usually states that disrupt elections do it to ensure the result is in their favour. The Spanish rulers ensured that anyone not strongly in favour of the thing stayed away and most of those people would have been on their side.

    Not only that but the animosity they have caused will push more people towards independence so a second non-disrupted vote is far more likely to go for independence than the first one would have if they had not interfered.

    If it wasn't for the disgusting way their police treated peaceful citizens their laughably bad decisions would be funny.

    The Scottish independence referendum shows that people, all things being equal, when faced with difficult choices usually act rationally. In their own interests.
    You add emotion and martyrdom to that mix and people will behave completely irrationally and react differently.

    Prior to the referendums the Catalans, like the Scots were not subject to violence, discrimination or intimidation. Now the Catalans feel oppressed and it's not hard to see why.

    Multo autem ad rem magis pertinet quallis tibi vide aris quam allis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,925 ✭✭✭aidan24326


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    Personally I thought it was inappropriate to fly the tricolour at half mast on public buildings after 9/11 and feel the same about this.

    You're not comparing like with like though.

    The links between Ireland and New York are too obvious to need stating, and over 1,000 of the 9/11 victims had Irish connections, many had very close connections, some were even born here. So it was entirely appropriate that we fly flags at half mast for that.

    In contrast we have no connection to the Catalunyan fight for independence. As individuals we can relate to it or not as we see fit, but Irish politicians have no place getting involved in it at a political level. It's got nothing to do with us.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    **** Sinn Fein and all who sail in her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,158 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Isn't it ironic that he represents a party that wants to unite this country, but is willing to accept that a region of Spain wants to be separate?

    Yep. Unite Ireland. Divide Spain. Shows SFs two faced strategy.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,045 ✭✭✭✭gramar


    Ah yes..Sinn Fein...the terr..I mean political party that not for the first time has mistakenly aligned themselves with foreign causes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,647 ✭✭✭lazybones32


    SF now want a foreign flag flying high over Irish soil?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,696 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Its good for all these SF/Solidarity folk that these events happened in Catalonia, has given them something to do/talk about etc.

    I heard on the radio this morning from a Solidarity TD who is out in Spain at present, no idea how he is serving his constituents there?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,516 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    That's not irony.

    No whats ironic is sinn feins constant anti eu crap claiming they have too much power over member states but now they are calling for the EU to get directly involved in an internal issue with a member state. They want to have their cake and eat it too.

    And before you try to twist anything im pro catalan independence but this is also an internal issue within Spain the EU has no business getting involved in unless its a case of deciding what happens to catalonia and EU membership if it does secede


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    SF calling for civil rights??

    and what civil rights did they show to the people they murdered during the troubles?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,593 ✭✭✭Wheeliebin30


    You would think they would have learned after the syrzia embarrassment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,516 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    You would think they would have learned after the syrzia embarrassment.

    Sure their supporters have forgotten about that just like Jarry, if you asked him does he regret syriza he'd probably reply with "no it was lovely i had pepperoni on my slice"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,174 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    That ignores the rights of the Unionists who don't want to be part of the Republic.

    What rights??? They shouldn't be there in the first place....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,622 ✭✭✭El Tarangu


    What rights??? They shouldn't be there in the first place....

    Good man :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    Yep. Unite Ireland. Divide Spain. Shows SFs two faced strategy.

    Nonsense.

    Both Spain and the United Kingdom are two states formed as unions of separate nations governed from a central, dominant culture. Irish Republicans believe in Irish self-determination and also the right of nations within the unitary state of Spain to do the same.

    I've heard this cartoonesque rubbish before about the Basque Country being akin to the Unionists etc. In reality there's no contradiction at all in supporting self-determination for peoples.

    It isn't difficult stuff like.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,078 ✭✭✭✭LordSutch


    Doltanian wrote: »
    Wheras the Catholic Nationalist in Northern Ireland want to seperate from the UK and self-determine to join a United Ireland. Its the same thing, the majority trying to crush the aspirations of the minority.

    Interestingly a large proportion of nationalists also want NI to remain within the UK, which adds up to the fact that a majority across the 'devide' need to be convinced of dropping the United Kingdom in favour of a United Ireland.

    By peaceful means obviously.


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    Just checked and there's no Councillor Scales on DCC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,709 ✭✭✭✭Mr. CooL ICE


    Mod: Please don't post political threads in After Hours.

    The Catalan referendum, along with SF stuff is being discussed in the Politics and Politics Cafe forums. Please read their respective charters before posting.


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