tb test.

anthony500_1 · 27-09-2017 3:49pm #1

I had my first part of herd test on Monday. The reading is tomorrow so fingers crossed I get the all clear. Was on to dafm all day being fired from office to office but no one could answer the question. I'm about to ask.

The vet advised me not to buy anything between the 3 days due to being "Technically being locked up till clear or at least Saturday" was his exact words "just incase"

he is a new vet to me and I'm unsure if he truly knows what he is talking about.

Now there is a sale on tomorrow evening(same day as reading) of a herd of cows with calf's at foot. That if one came right I'd be interested in buying. Rang the department today for clarity to see if I could buy, but sure enough I got pushed around from office to office with no answer to eventually being giving a number for celbridge that I can't get an answer from. Grrrrrrrrr

so my question is, should I just forget about the sale or burry my head in the sand, and buy if one suits me. Other thing is I'm not known in the mart where they are for sale so this might also be a factor.

Thanks in advance for any advice

patsy_mccabe · 27-09-2017 3:58pm

I was locked up with TB last year. While I was locked up, I could buy in, but if any of these new animals subsequently went down with TB, I would not be entitled to compensation. Thats now my Vet explained it to me. Not answering your question exactly, but anyway.

anthony500_1 · 27-09-2017 4:05pm

This is just the yearly test, touch wood no tb here for years. But he said I was locked up between the couple of days from injecting to reaading. I don't mind either way, it would just be nice to get clarity on it. Typical dept that they have no one to ask

Lady Haywire · 27-09-2017 4:24pm

I'd say buy away tomorrow if you see one that suits. Mart sales aren't generally closed until the following day (never yet seen one closed the same evening unless the manager was away the next day and none of the office staff wanted to come in)
As long as you're clear in the test, go in and speak to the mart manager if possible and they can check on the system if your herd number is open to put cattle into. All they have to do is put in a fake sale and try to access your number to enter it, it'll show up as blocked if it's not open. Some managers will also allow the stock to remain in the mart number for a few days too.

Attie · 27-09-2017 5:35pm

Anthony as I see it you are reading tomorrow so vet will tell you if you passed or not if sale after that you know to buy or not.

kerry cow · 27-09-2017 5:51pm

I'd say even of you pass the test you won't be able to buy until the report is sent to the dvo and read by the VI and thereafter it will be unlocked on the system .
Till that's done I would stay on the side of the law .

greysides · 27-09-2017 5:56pm

As I've always understood it you're locked up till the test is read and clear.

huey1975 · 27-09-2017 9:20pm

greysides wrote: »

As I've always understood it you're locked up till the test is read and clear.

You've always misunderstood it.

J.O. Farmer · 27-09-2017 9:28pm

huey1975 wrote: »

You've always misunderstood it.

Explain
Is it your not locked up at all or your locked up for longer.

I don't think you can sell mid test anyway. I would've agreed with greysides.

greysides · 27-09-2017 9:51pm

J.O. Farmer wrote: »

Explain
Is it your not locked up at all or your locked up for longer.

I don't think you can sell mid test anyway. I would've agreed with greysides.

Definitely can't sell, that's an absolute.

greysides · 27-09-2017 9:59pm

huey1975 wrote: »

You've always misunderstood it.

Apparently not. Just checked with a Dept. Veterinary Inspector I know.

kerry cow · 27-09-2017 10:10pm

Give us that again greysides in kerry English

anthony500_1 · 27-09-2017 10:13pm

J.O. Farmer wrote:

Explain Is it your not locked up at all or your locked up for longer.

I'm mid test. Not locked up but vet said I can't buy or sell during the week that test is taking place

greysides · 27-09-2017 10:27pm

kerry cow wrote: »

Give us that again greysides in kerry English

You can't buy or sell while the test is in progress, between the injection and reading days.

huey1975 · 27-09-2017 10:35pm

I managed to buy last Thursday and the reading was on Friday.

Base price · 27-09-2017 10:54pm

huey1975 wrote: »

I managed to buy last Thursday and the reading was on Friday.

Ah, but you didn't get to move the animal into your herd before the test was read (clear test), results inputed by your Vet and accepted by DVO.
We can all buy and sell within the 3 days of a test but no animal can (legally) move in or out of your herd. Casualty animals to the factory would be an exception if instructed by your Vet under animal welfare.

J.O. Farmer · 27-09-2017 11:14pm

anthony500_1 wrote: »

I'm mid test. Not locked up but vet said I can't buy or sell during the week that test is taking place

What's your definition of locked up if it's not that you are unable to buy or sell or to be more specific as base price has put it unable to move stock in or out. You are locked up pending the outcome of the test or in more legal terminology restricted pending the outcome.

Base price · 28-09-2017 5:40am

Just had a look for the exact rules regarding the movement of animals during annual test.
"Farmers are reminded in the test notification letter sent with each herd test scheduled that:
a) all animals on the holding/in the herd must be presented at time of test,
b) it is an offence to move animals out of the herd between the commencement and completion of the test,
c) animals moved into the herd between commencement and completion of a full herd level test will require testing before the status of the herd (i.e. the status of all animals in the herd) maybe certified"
Taken from: https://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/animalhealthwelfare/diseasecontrols/tuberculosistbandbrucellosis/eradpvps/ER42017050117.pdf

Base price · 28-09-2017 5:49am

@ Anthony, judging from the above it appears that you can buy in an animal during the (3 days) of your herd test however that animal will have to be retested in your herd and your herd will be restricted until that animal is clear presuming that the rest of your herd is clear.

anthony500_1 · 28-09-2017 6:14am

J.O. Farmer wrote:

What's your definition of locked up if it's not that you are unable to buy or sell or to be more specific as base price has put it unable to move stock in or out. You are locked up pending the outcome of the test or in more legal terminology restricted pending the outcome.

Sorry, for poor explanation

I'm restricted pending the outcome

DaDerv · 28-09-2017 8:02am

patsy_mccabe wrote:

I was locked up with TB last year. While I was locked up, I could buy in, but if any of these new animals subsequently went down with TB, I would not be entitled to compensation. Thats now my Vet explained it to me. Not answering your question exactly, but anyway.

I was down with TB last year as well. Single cow. I couldn't buy in at all during that time as my herd was locked down ie. No animals could be registered coming in or out of the herd. I was going to try get in a few calves to rear them but when I asked the department they said I couldn't. Seems strange to let one farmer do one thing and the other not be allowed. Then again the whole thing is bolox if you ask me!

Attie · 28-09-2017 9:56am

anthony500_1 wrote: »

I had my first part of herd test on Monday. The reading is tomorrow so fingers crossed I get the all clear. Was on to dafm all day being fired from office to office but no one could answer the question. I'm about to ask.

The vet advised me not to buy anything between the 3 days due to being "Technically being locked up till clear or at least Saturday" was his exact words "just incase"

he is a new vet to me and I'm unsure if he truly knows what he is talking about.

Now there is a sale on tomorrow evening(same day as reading) of a herd of cows with calf's at foot. That if one came right I'd be interested in buying. Rang the department today for clarity to see if I could buy, but sure enough I got pushed around from office to office with no answer to eventually being giving a number for celbridge that I can't get an answer from. Grrrrrrrrr

so my question is, should I just forget about the sale or burry my head in the sand, and buy if one suits me. Other thing is I'm not known in the mart where they are for sale so this might also be a factor.

Thanks in advance for any advice

Vet says no.

Pidae.m · 28-09-2017 6:05pm

anthony500_1 wrote: »

I had my first part of herd test on Monday. The reading is tomorrow so fingers crossed I get the all clear. Was on to dafm all day being fired from office to office but no one could answer the question. I'm about to ask.

The vet advised me not to buy anything between the 3 days due to being "Technically being locked up till clear or at least Saturday" was his exact words "just incase"

he is a new vet to me and I'm unsure if he truly knows what he is talking about.

Now there is a sale on tomorrow evening(same day as reading) of a herd of cows with calf's at foot. That if one came right I'd be interested in buying. Rang the department today for clarity to see if I could buy, but sure enough I got pushed around from office to office with no answer to eventually being giving a number for celbridge that I can't get an answer from. Grrrrrrrrr

so my question is, should I just forget about the sale or burry my head in the sand, and buy if one suits me. Other thing is I'm not known in the mart where they are for sale so this might also be a factor.

Thanks in advance for any advice

I'd ring the mart on the morning of the sale and ask them to check on the system to see if you can buy cattle If not plague the dept that day. It wouldn't stop me from going to a sale.
Anyways it's easier to beg for forgiveness thank ask for permission

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