Is there much truth to "PizzaGate" involving political elites in Washington D.C.?

nigel_wilson

I first saw the story of PizzaGate around last year when a gunmen came into a Washington D.C. pizza shop Comet Ping Pong and tried to 'rescue' the trapped children inside.

Although CNN and BBC World News did "debunk" it, I still did and do search up some YouTube videos on what exactly the conspiracy is and it reminds me of the elite pedophile rings that were mentioned by David Icke and Alex Jones many years before.

Even though I'm not an investigator, I try and look at both sides (videos, articles). I honestly don't know what to believe. There are definitely many outrageous allegations and flaws with the PizzaGate conspiracy but at the same time, there are details given which the mainstream media, forums and websites dismiss that just seem "too coincidental".

nigel_wilson

nigel_wilson wrote: »

there are details given which the mainstream media, forums and websites dismiss that just seem "too coincidental".

Can you give some examples?

Last time this was claimed here the most convincing stuff people could find were a very deliberate and dishonest misreading of someone's instagram and someone's interpretation of a single line from a puff piece article that lead them to conclude that prominent political figures hung child porn up in their house and openly showed it to reporters.

What I find most interesting is that conspiracy theorist are so willing to jump on it as evidence against a particular set of politicians. Yet the idea that the whole thing might have been made/stirred up/promoted by people like Alex Jones to sway the election or make a fast buck...
Nah... too wacky.

gar32

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5016409/Corey-Feldman-s-plan-expose-Hollywood-pedophiles.html

Maybe this man could shed some light on the issue.

If there is even a small chance this is happening it should be followed up and closed. I am sure the world can be darker then the main stream media let on.

gar32

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7H-pxcWL5g

I am starting to think the info is there is you look for it.

Dohnjoe

gar32 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7H-pxcWL5g

I am starting to think the info is there is you look for it.

What info is here?

It's a video espousing the classic paranoid world view that everything is controlled by a nefarious entity (typically the US government, Jews, Rothschilds, Illuminati, NWO, etc) - and that people who can "see through this" are "waking up" and "seeing the real truth"

Pizzagate was shown to be an absolutely fake story. One of Trump's aides who tweeted about it was fired.

Ipso

Take a wild guess who is making excuses for Roy Moore (who is accused of inappropriate behaviour with teenage girls).

nigel_wilson

King Mob wrote: »

Can you give some examples?

Last time this was claimed here the most convincing stuff people could find were a very deliberate and dishonest misreading of someone's instagram and someone's interpretation of a single line from a puff piece article that lead them to conclude that prominent political figures hung child porn up in their house and openly showed it to reporters.

What I find most interesting is that conspiracy theorist are so willing to jump on it as evidence against a particular set of politicians. Yet the idea that the whole thing might have been made/stirred up/promoted by people like Alex Jones to sway the election or make a fast buck...
Nah... too wacky.

Doesn't make the real life effects of people taking this thing seriously...a gunman almost shot up the pizza parlor last year.

I even remember a couple of years back in 2013, the Syrian Electronic Army hacked the AP and claimed that Obama was injured in an explosion. Stocks fell.

Vladimir Poontang

Read up on Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein and the "Lolita Express"

This isn't a conspiracy theory, this is out in the public domain


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-24/former-secret-service-agent-threatens-reveal-new-details-about-clinton-epstein-conne

Dohnjoe

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

Read up on Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein and the "Lolita Express"

This isn't a conspiracy theory, this is out in the public domain


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-24/former-secret-service-agent-threatens-reveal-new-details-about-clinton-epstein-conne

I read it, Zerohedge is a (financial) conspiracy site. Tyler Durden is a vehement anti-Clinton blogger.

Will wait for fact based stories rather than editorials with preset narratives

Vladimir Poontang

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I read it, Zerohedge is a (financial) conspiracy site. Tyler Durden is a vehement anti-Clinton blogger.

Will wait for fact based stories rather than editorials with preset narratives

The facts are all out there

In 2008, Epstein was convicted of soliciting an underage girl for prostitution, for which he served 13 months in prison. FACT

At release, he was registered in New York State as a level three (high risk of re-offense) sex offender, a lifelong designation

In September 2002, Epstein flew Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker to Africa in his private Boeing 727, known as the "Lolita Express". Flight records show Bill Clinton flew on Epstein's plane 26 times

These flight records, filed with the Federal Aviation Administration, are publicly available online.

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Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

Read up on Bill Clinton, Jeffrey Epstein and the "Lolita Express"

This isn't a conspiracy theory, this is out in the public domain

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-24/former-secret-service-agent-threatens-reveal-new-details-about-clinton-epstein-conne

Only marginally better, but the DailyFail ran this story also, mentioned Spacey took a lift in it too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3589628/Report-Bill-Clinton-jumped-aboard-disgraced-sex-offender-Jeffrey-Epstein-s-Lolita-Express-plane-junkets-26-TIMES-just-three-years.html

Usually frowned upon, The DailyMail is still the most widely read (online newspaper) in the world, and outsells (in paper editions) of likes of the lefty Guardian and all thrasy tabloid red tops combined.

Think they also ran a separate story about Sir Spacey, saying he took a seat on the actual throne during a private visit to the palace (via Air-miles Andy).

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5073923/Kevin-Spacey-sat-Queen-s-throne-private-tour.html

Dohnjoe

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

The facts are all out there

In 2008, Epstein was convicted of soliciting an underage girl for prostitution, for which he served 13 months in prison. FACT

True

In September 2002, Epstein flew Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker to Africa in his private Boeing 727, known as the "Lolita Express". Flight records show Bill Clinton flew on Epstein's plane 26 times

And?

Many people spent time with e.g Jimmy Savile, including the Royals. We're going to need more than that.

Vladimir Poontang

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

The facts are all out there

In 2008, Epstein was convicted of soliciting an underage girl for prostitution, for which he served 13 months in prison. FACT

At release, he was registered in New York State as a level three (high risk of re-offense) sex offender, a lifelong designation

In September 2002, Epstein flew Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker to Africa in his private Boeing 727, known as the "Lolita Express". Flight records show Bill Clinton flew on Epstein's plane 26 times

These flight records, filed with the Federal Aviation Administration, are publicly available online.

Therefore they were all involved in a Satantic child abuse ring run out of the basement of a pizza place?

Vladimir Poontang

King Mob wrote: »

Therefore they were all involved in a Satantic child abuse ring run out of the basement of a pizza place?

Nice to see people keep shifting the goalposts when presented with facts.

I never made any such claim.

I merely find the story to be interesting. Especially given the litany of sex abuse allegations against Clinton.

Vladimir Poontang

Vladimir Poontang wrote: »

Nice to see people keep shifting the goalposts when presented with facts.

I never made any such claim.

I merely find the story to be interesting. Especially given the litany of sex abuse allegations against Clinton.

I'm not shifting the goalposts.
The entire conspiracy is based around that idea. That's the reason it's called "Pizzagate" in the first place.
It's the exact claim being made in the OP of this thread.

So can we take it that you don't agree with that claim of the conspiracy?