Why aren't traffic cameras more ubiquitous?

Gerrup Outta Dat!

Every day I see tomfoolery such as bus lane abuse, dangerous overtaking of cyclists, lane hogging, undertaking, misuse of roundabouts, lack of indicator use, the list goes on.

Would permanent cameras above bus / cycle lanes (which in my opinion should apply 24/7/365) not generate a huge stream of revenue? €100 a pop for each vehicle.

Taxis aren't supposed to use them unless they are picking up a fare or on the way to a fare. This can easily be policed. Get an undercover Garda to attempt to flag down a taxi driver in the bus lane, if the driver stops, then they weren't on the way to a fare. Issue a fine.

ED E

Why are Gardai standing on College Green instead of a bus gate/ "Red Light" camera?

Jobs.

If the cameras do the enforcing we won't need as many traffic corps....

mikeecho

ubiquitous
[yoo-bik-wi-tuh s]
adjective
existing or being everywhere, especially at the same time; omnipresent:
ubiquitous fog; ubiquitous little ants.

Guy:Incognito

ED E wrote: »

Why are Gardai standing on College Green instead of a bus gate/ "Red Light" camera?

Jobs.

If the cameras do the enforcing we won't need as many traffic corps....

In fairness, it wouldnt be displacing anyone because no one is doing it now.....

Gerrup Outta Dat!

ED E wrote: »

Why are Gardai standing on College Green instead of a bus gate/ "Red Light" camera?

Jobs.

If the cameras do the enforcing we won't need as many traffic corps....

Gardaí can be freed up to do more important work. I've always said that there should be a separate traffic corps and Gardaí.

begbysback

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Every day I see tomfoolery such as bus lane abuse, dangerous overtaking of cyclists, lane hogging, undertaking, misuse of roundabouts, lack of indicator use, the list goes on.

Would permanent cameras above bus / cycle lanes (which in my opinion should apply 24/7/365) not generate a huge stream of revenue? €100 a pop for each vehicle.

Taxis aren't supposed to use them unless they are picking up a fare or on the way to a fare. This can easily be policed. Get an undercover Garda to attempt to flag down a taxi driver in the bus lane, if the driver stops, then they weren't on the way to a fare. Issue a fine.

Only a cyclist can complain about taxis in bus lanes without fares - either ur an aggrieved cyclist, or working for the gubberment - which is it?

Gerrup Outta Dat!

begbysback wrote: »

Only a cyclist can complain about taxis in bus lanes without fares - either ur an aggrieved cyclist, or working for the gubberment - which is it?

Just annoyed about the inefficient use of what should be a shared "efficiency space".

Gerrup Outta Dat!

bear1 wrote: »

How would a camera allow a fine to be issued to a cyclist?

I never said that

bear1

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Every day I see tomfoolery such as bus lane abuse, dangerous overtaking of cyclists, lane hogging, undertaking, misuse of roundabouts, lack of indicator use, the list goes on.

Would permanent cameras above bus / cycle lanes (which in my opinion should apply 24/7/365) not generate a huge stream of revenue? €100 a pop for each vehicle.

Taxis aren't supposed to use them unless they are picking up a fare or on the way to a fare. This can easily be policed. Get an undercover Garda to attempt to flag down a taxi driver in the bus lane, if the driver stops, then they weren't on the way to a fare. Issue a fine.

Your last sentence would be classed as entrapment.

bear1

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

I never said that

Yep I deleted it as I misread

Gerrup Outta Dat!

bear1 wrote: »

Yep I deleted it as I misread

You're forgiven don't do it again :mad::mad:

Miike

bear1 wrote: »

Your last sentence would be classed as entrapment.

Thats not how entrapment works

mikeecho

bear1 wrote: »

Your last sentence would be classed as entrapment.

You obviously don't understand entrapment.


For it to be entrapment, the gardai would have had to encouraged/made the taxi driver, drive in the bus lane. And then, prosecuted him for doing so.

What has been described, ie flagging a taxi in a bus lane, would be classed as a "sting" operation.
Completely legal

And polar opposites of entrapment.


Just make sure he was wearing a hat full of pregnant woman poo , and that he swore on his oath, or his porridge.. either is good with me.

Gerrup Outta Dat!

bear1 wrote: »

Your last sentence would be classed as entrapment.

No, it wouldn't

bear1

So I'm wrong on both counts. Carry on

Marcusm

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Just annoyed about the inefficient use of what should be a shared "efficiency space".

That’s inconsisten with your suggestion that bus lanes should be 24/7/365. Many bus lanes on suburban or orbital routes are not needed except at rush hours and then likely in one direction only. Ireland could learn a lot from the UK about time by of bus lane operations. Simple traffic mapping and setting of operating hours would lead to a more efficient use of “public realm”, which would have environmental benefits too.

Charles Babbage

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Taxis aren't supposed to use them unless they are picking up a fare or on the way to a fare. This can easily be policed.

Require taxis to display a "free" light whenever the meter is not running. If you are not running the meter (and reporting to the revenue accordingly) then no bus lane.

Charles Babbage

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Require taxis to display a "free" light whenever the meter is not running. If you are not running the meter (and reporting to the revenue accordingly) then no bus lane.

Marcusm wrote: »

That’s inconsisten with your suggestion that bus lanes should be 24/7/365. Many bus lanes on suburban or orbital routes are not needed except at rush hours and then likely in one direction only. Ireland could learn a lot from the UK about time by of bus lane operations. Simple traffic mapping and setting of operating hours would lead to a more efficient use of “public realm”, which would have environmental benefits too.

This is true up to a point. But by definition when there is little traffic about there is less need to allow people drive in the bus lane.

DaveyDave

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

In fairness, it wouldnt be displacing anyone because no one is doing it now.....

THIS.

Dublin city quays. Anyone who commutes on a bike there knows the issues. Everyone runs red lights, taxis push past cyclists in the bus lanes without moving over and EVERYONE breaks the speed limit. NOTHING is being done about it. We need red light and speed cameras.

I was cycling down the bus lane one morning, beside the bike lane because I was passing a lot cyclists at 35kph and a taxi inches past me. Didn't give a ****e. Dangerous overtake and speeding. Happens every single day and before anyone says anything speed limits don't apply to cyclists.

The other week a coach beeped at me because I was again, 'only' doing 35kph. No Gardai present, ever. A few speed and red light cameras would mop up the fines. They're rolling out 30kph speed limits in a lot of areas outside the city but for what? They don't enforce them on the quays at all, they're just trying to show they're doing something to keep people safe but it's not enforced, none of it is.

mikeecho

DaveyDave wrote: »

THIS.

Dublin city quays. Anyone who commutes on a bike there knows the issues. Everyone runs red lights, taxis push past cyclists in the bus lanes without moving over and EVERYONE breaks the speed limit. NOTHING is being done about it. We need red light and speed cameras.

I was cycling down the bus lane one morning, beside the bike lane because I was passing a lot cyclists at 35kph and a taxi inches past me. Didn't give a ****e. Dangerous overtake and speeding. Happens every single day and before anyone says anything speed limits don't apply to cyclists.

The other week a coach beeped at me because I was again, 'only' doing 35kph. No Gardai present, ever. A few speed and red light cameras would mop up the fines. They're rolling out 30kph speed limits in a lot of areas outside the city but for what? They don't enforce them on the quays at all, they're just trying to show they're doing something to keep people safe but it's not enforced, none of it is.

If they did enforce it people would be on here screaming ...

begbysback

DaveyDave wrote: »

THIS.

Dublin city quays. Anyone who commutes on a bike there knows the issues. Everyone runs red lights, taxis push past cyclists in the bus lanes without moving over and EVERYONE breaks the speed limit. NOTHING is being done about it. We need red light and speed cameras.

I was cycling down the bus lane one morning, beside the bike lane because I was passing a lot cyclists at 35kph and a taxi inches past me. Didn't give a ****e. Dangerous overtake and speeding. Happens every single day and before anyone says anything speed limits don't apply to cyclists.

The other week a coach beeped at me because I was again, 'only' doing 35kph. No Gardai present, ever. A few speed and red light cameras would mop up the fines. They're rolling out 30kph speed limits in a lot of areas outside the city but for what? They don't enforce them on the quays at all, they're just trying to show they're doing something to keep people safe but it's not enforced, none of it is.

35 kph - the irony

mackeminexile

No irony, cycles don't have enforceable speedo's so the limits don't apply

begbysback

mackeminexile wrote: »

No irony, cycles don't have enforceable speedo's so the limits don't apply

No irony lol - a cyclist is outraged at motorists breaking the speed limit and red lights, whilst he's doing an unenforceable 35 in a 30 - Allanisis Morisette written all over it!!

mackeminexile

Christ, think about that argument for a sec. A bike doing 35kph in a 30 is far less dangerous than 2 tons (or more if it's a coach or bus) of metal doing the same speed. I don't necessarily condone speeding on a bike but its a fact that the limit doesn't legally apply to bikes as per my above point. I don't see you getting frothy over the ridiculous danger of speeding coaches on a narrow road with lots of pedestrians either side...

By the way, have a re-listen to that song, there's no irony in that either!

begbysback

mackeminexile wrote: »

Christ, think about that argument for a sec. A bike doing 35kph in a 30 is far less dangerous than 2 tons (or more if it's a coach or bus) of metal doing the same speed. I don't necessarily condone speeding on a bike but its a fact that the limit doesn't legally apply to bikes as per my above point. I don't see you getting frothy over the ridiculous danger of speeding coaches on a narrow road with lots of pedestrians either side...

By the way, have a re-listen to that song, there's no irony in that either!

Well a bike has been known to kill and seriously maim pedestrians, to do such damage they would have to be travelling at a dangerous speed, maybe 35kph?

Also, Alannis knew none of that was ironic, that was the irony!!

mackeminexile

Deflect all you like, the facts are that the primary causes of deaths on Irish roads are speeding cars like the one that passed the bike dangerously. The point that was being made by DaveyDave was that every single car, van, truck, bus on the quays speeds already and speed cameras would help stop this. There have been zero deaths in Ireland caused by cyclists this year, zero. Would you care to take a guess at how many caused by motor vehicles?

DaveyDave

No irony about someone giving out that people have a complete disregard for the law, while the cyclist is following it. The point of the taxi passing me within inches passed over your head, he nearly knocked me down in the process and this is a daily occurrence for cyclists. If people knew they'd be done for speeding they wouldn't be doing up to 50kph in a 30 zone and it wouldn't be a hazard for cyclists.

A post about hundreds of people disregarding the speed limit and safe passing and you mention the cyclist abiding by the law?

Let's take cyclists out of this for a second. People running red lights is all too common in the city centre add the fact they're speeding. The risk of being hit when your light goes green still stands for motorists, I know this because I drive there too. It doesn't matter if you nitpick that a cyclist was giving out about speed, the problems still stand.

stingray555

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Taxis aren't supposed to use them unless they are picking up a fare or on the way to a fare. This can easily be policed. Get an undercover Garda to attempt to flag down a taxi driver in the bus lane, if the driver stops, then they weren't on the way to a fare. Issue a fine.

This is incorrect. Here is the link

https://www.nationaltransport.ie/taxi-and-bus-licensing/taxi/operating-an-spsv/bus-lanes/

We are allowed to use the bus lane at ALL times as long as we are working.

begbysback

DaveyDave wrote: »

No irony about someone giving out that people have a complete disregard for the law, while the cyclist is following it. The point of the taxi passing me within inches passed over your head, he nearly knocked me down in the process and this is a daily occurrence for cyclists. If people knew they'd be done for speeding they wouldn't be doing up to 50kph in a 30 zone and it wouldn't be a hazard for cyclists.

A post about hundreds of people disregarding the speed limit and safe passing and you mention the cyclist abiding by the law?

Let's take cyclists out of this for a second. People running red lights is all too common in the city centre add the fact they're speeding. The risk of being hit when your light goes green still stands for motorists, I know this because I drive there too. It doesn't matter if you nitpick that a cyclist was giving out about speed, the problems still stand.

Nit picking?

I walk through the city centre every day, morning and evening - so far this year I have never seen a car hit a pedestrian, or a cyclist whilst breaking a red light - if fact I have never seen car hit a pedestrian or a cyclist period, i have seen a car hit a motorbike, and in that case the blame was fully with the motorbike.

I have seen approx 10-15 cases of pedestrians being hit by a cyclist in the city centre so far this year, getting all to common recently - given this perspective you can understand from where I'm sitting Alanis Morrisette is getting fresh material for a new song from that post.

Ubbquittious

Gerrup Outta Dat! wrote: »

Every day I see tomfoolery such as bus lane abuse, dangerous overtaking of cyclists, lane hogging, undertaking, misuse of roundabouts, lack of indicator use, the list goes on.

Would permanent cameras above bus / cycle lanes (which in my opinion should apply 24/7/365) not generate a huge stream of revenue? €100 a pop for each vehicle.

Taxis aren't supposed to use them unless they are picking up a fare or on the way to a fare. This can easily be policed. Get an undercover Garda to attempt to flag down a taxi driver in the bus lane, if the driver stops, then they weren't on the way to a fare. Issue a fine.

Most days I don't even see a bus lane, a road with multiple lanes to hog, a cyclist and sometimes not even a roundabout. As such I don't really concern myself with the wrongdoings of others or busy myself thinking of schemes to make the government even more money. Living out in the shticks is definitely the way to go for a stress-free life