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The Rosslare Rail Loop/South Wex. and Ballybrophy Correction

  • 22-09-2017 11:08am
    #1
    ClovenHoof
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    Two realistically modest altertations to the network which would have the Phoenix Park Tunnel pay off.

    Direct running from the mainline into the Nenagh line and make it the mainline to Limerick. Reverse the curve towards towards Dublin. Massive increase in population catchment and viability of services to Nenagh and Roscrea etc.

    Reopen the old loop that bypasses Rosslare Harbour. New station on loop to create a secondary intercity line into Waterford via the South Wexford into the new station and urban quarter in the city.

    Rather than looking at revivals on meandering rural cross country long routes. Export the Phoenix Park Tunnel thinking to the rest of the network. Short, sweet, modest and major pay offs. Lines saved, passengers increasing. Asset sweating.


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    trellheim
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    Direct running from mainline into the Nenagh line and make it the mainline to Limerick. Reverse the curve towards towards Dublin. Massive increase in population catchment and viability of services to Nenagh and Roscrea etc.

    needs massive PW investment to make running times viable vs the Junction, if I recall correctly.


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    Dravokivich
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    I believe the Phoenix park tunnel was led by the nta? I recall reading they funded it.


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    budhabob
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    Dravokivich wrote: »
    I believe the Phoenix park tunnel was led by the nta? I recall reading they funded it.

    the NTA fund all projects on the Govt's behalf. Infra maintenance activities are funded by the Govt.


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    loyatemu
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    ClovenHoof wrote: »

    Rather than looking at revivals on meandering rural cross country long routes. Export the Phoenix Park Tunnel thinking to the rest of the network. Short, sweet, modest and major pay offs. Lines saved, passengers increasing. Asset sweating.

    The South Wexford is the definition of a meandering rural route, it would cost a lot of money to get it up to standard, and I believe the Barrow bridge requires an expensive renewal. There are no towns of any size on the route and I don't think Wexford-Waterford passenger numbers would be sufficient to justify it.

    The best project of this type IMO would be putting passenger services onto the Navan-Drogheda line. They've already done the city centre resignalling work to allow extra peak-time services to Grand Canal Dock, it's a commuter service and would provide proof-of-concept for the eventual extension of the M3 branch to Navan. This would require refurbishing the station at Navan and adding an extra platform at Drogheda, possibly some relaying of rail, nothing crazily expensive.


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    Dravokivich
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    budhabob wrote: »
    the NTA fund all projects on the Govt's behalf. Infra maintenance activities are funded by the Govt.

    But this was very much led by them.

    https://www.nationaltransport.ie/news/phoenix-park-tunnel-opens-for-commuter-services-after-e13-7-million-investment/
    “the NTA is delighted that services have now commenced through the Phoenix Park Tunnel, a project that the Authority promoted and funded. Together with city centre re-signalling, the new services ensure we will exploit the full potential of existing rail infrastructure at minimal cost and will offer more rail travel options for public transport customers.”

    It sets a marker that If NTA have the business case to, they will potentially follow through such projects. They very easily could have just tasked Irish Rail to open it.


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  • #7
    ClovenHoof
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    The South Wexford is the definition of a meandering rural route, it would cost a lot of money to get it up to standard, and I believe the Barrow bridge requires an expensive renewal. There are no towns of any size on the route and I don't think Wexford-Waterford passenger numbers would be sufficient to justify it.

    The best project of this type IMO would be putting passenger services onto the Navan-Drogheda line. They've already done the city centre resignalling work to allow extra peak-time services to Grand Canal Dock, it's a commuter service and would provide proof-of-concept for the eventual extension of the M3 branch to Navan. This would require refurbishing the station at Navan and adding an extra platform at Drogheda, possibly some relaying of rail, nothing crazily expensive.

    The Rosslare Dublin to and from intercity would run into Waterford from Rosslare with no stops in between. So not reopen the old rural halts there.

    I agree about Navan - Drogheda. I should have listed that too.


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    Stephen15
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    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    The Rosslare Dublin to and from intercity would run into Waterford from Rosslare with no stops in between. So not reopen the old rural halts there.

    I agree about Navan - Drogheda. I should have listed that too.

    Navan to Drogheda should definitely be reopened to passenger traffic. Extend the platforms at Drogheda to allow trains to split in half with four to Dundalk and four to Navan. It is scandalous that a commuter town of Navan's size does not have a passenger rail connection.

    Another one I would suggest is reopening the Mullingar to Athlone line and run commuter services from Connolly/GCD/Pearse/Docklands to Athlone. This would give Mullingar a better link to Athlone two larger midlands towns and make places like Moate and Athlone more attractive as commuter towns aswell adding extra capacity on the Mullingar to Dublin stretch.


  • #9
    Banjoxed
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    loyatemu wrote: »
    The South Wexford is the definition of a meandering rural route, it would cost a lot of money to get it up to standard, and I believe the Barrow bridge requires an expensive renewal. There are no towns of any size on the route and I don't think Wexford-Waterford passenger numbers would be sufficient to justify it.

    The best project of this type IMO would be putting passenger services onto the Navan-Drogheda line. They've already done the city centre resignalling work to allow extra peak-time services to Grand Canal Dock, it's a commuter service and would provide proof-of-concept for the eventual extension of the M3 branch to Navan. This would require refurbishing the station at Navan and adding an extra platform at Drogheda, possibly some relaying of rail, nothing crazily expensive.

    Again, this is the dismissal that Rosslare - Waterford was only about south Wexford. It wasn't built as that. Reopening it and providing properly connecting services To Limerick, Galway and Cork restores and amplifies its original purpose


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