When does an Atic become a Room?

magnethead

Hi,
Can you take a look at this section please, the proposed house has a slopping roof, an 2 "Atics".....I raised the side wall (circled in Red) so that the second Floor is not chamfered. Would the planners still consider this a non-room?
I heard that the definition has something to do with standing HEIGHT?

Any advice would be appriciated.
Thank you

BryanF

Put some dimensions on your sketch

there are so many variables.. .

Have you read A-M of the TGD

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=103342199

BryanF

the planners aren't you're problem, you seem to be making up the design?

magnethead

Ah the planners aren't exactly angels either, they told me to F-off with my original design. Looks like I'm in the last plot to be developed in the area, so there was a long list of things, about respecting people on all sides of me(not a double story element in that area, don't overlook that garden behind you..etc), Everybody else pushed the boat out when planning laws were non-existant

Thanks for the technical refs:

part_a_1991_-_structure
part_b_1991_-_fire_safety
part_e_1991_-_sound
part_f_1997_ventilation
part_h_1991_-_drainage_and_waste_disposal
part_j_1991_-_heat_producing_appliances
part_k_1991_-_stairways_ramps_and_guards
part_l_1997_-_conservation_of_fuel_and_energy
part_m_1991_access_for_disabled_people


So I'm guessing you're telling me to read up on A ? If I dimension the section I put up, do you think you could make a call on it, or do you need floor plans, etc?

EDIT: just found the updated 2012 Structure document

PhoenixParker

snip

This gives a decent summary of the basic height requirement.
There's other stuff too but by and large that can be dealt with if you have the height.

The big dormer window they mention is typically a good idea for light reasons anyway.

magnethead

Bang on PhoenixParker just what I was looking for


Thank you very much

magnethead

BryanF: To answer you question about Dimensions...where that lad is standing in the above pic, THe Roof is 2.08M rising to 2.56 in the top Corner...the Second floor room(Middle of the section) is at 2.4M

The 2 "attic" room, are 13.4M long though....just concerned it would turn into a big contribution is all.

I take it they are not considered habitable space, well under 50% of the room is at 2.4M

BryanF

Would have to check regs but I think it's anything above 1.2m would be considered floor area.

magnethead

ok, Are these specs regional?

you are saying anthing above 1.2M is considered Floor Area/habitable space....and does the 50% rule apply like in the above link? because if that is the bar, well over 50% of my room would be at 1.2M. Might have to cut out that wall circled in red above.

above link says

99.9% of attic conversions are classed as ‘storage’ rooms because the roofs are not high enough. If you want to be able to call your new attic room a bedroom 50% of the floor area needs to be 2.4 mtrs high (just under 8 feet) in order to qualify.

damn, I was getting the hopes up there!

magnethead

Just went thought the Part A, unless I'm blind, I don't see any mention of Atic or Room definition

http://www.housing.gov.ie/housing/building-standards/tgd-part-d-materials-and-workmanship/technical-guidance-documents


Could you point out a Letter that might help?

magnethead

THe Letter is F for F-ing Ventilation!! Page 11 (See below)

WoooHoo...It's not hand over your ass for nothing (Contribution) qualified!!!

Thanks for your help on this, I'm happy out again!

Gumbo

The contribution is calculated from the figure that your agent puts on the application form for new floor area.

magnethead

kceire ok,as you say, the contribution is calculated from the floor area you state in the planning application, I was just worried if the area under the roof pointed out in the above drawing qualified as a room(habitable area)..then the council would look for that area to be paid for, even if I said it was NOT a habitable area.

I mean, if you build a 200m2 house, but only state that you're going to use 100m2 (even though on the drawings, the other 100m2 is clearly habitable space....surely they are going to question you :P)