Accurate quote for planning permission?

FrannoFan

Hello everyone just looking for some help on a quote. New to this so have no idea if this is way off or not. We are doing a small extension out the back of our house and looking to get planning permission for a dormer on an attic conversion. budget approx 70/80K

We don't need planning permission for the ground floor extension but since we need an architect to help with the dormer planning permission we thought we would get help on the overall project.

Had trouble getting any response from a lot of firms we contacted (probably too small a project we guessed but don't know) We finally got a quote but since it was hard enough to get 1 it is tricky to get another for a price comparison.


quote is 2,000 plus vat for the plans
1,500 for the planning permission application.

the quote for the plans seems fine but it is the 1,500 for the planning application which i am unclear about. Is this what they usually cost or does this seem excessively steep?

any help grately appreciated

kieran.

FrannoFan wrote: »

Hello everyone just looking for some help on a quote. New to this so have no idea if this is way off or not. We are doing a small extension out the back of our house and looking to get planning permission for a dormer on an attic conversion. budget approx 70/80K

We don't need planning permission for the ground floor extension but since we need an architect to help with the dormer planning permission we thought we would get help on the overall project.

Had trouble getting any response from a lot of firms we contacted (probably too small a project we guessed but don't know) We finally got a quote but since it was hard enough to get 1 it is tricky to get another for a price comparison.


quote is 2,000 plus vat for the plans
1,500 for the planning permission application.

the quote for the plans seems fine but it is the 1,500 for the planning application which i am unclear about. Is this what they usually cost or does this seem excessively steep?

any help grately appreciated

I would assume it's 2000 to do all the drawings survey etc and 1500 for processing the planning application possibly inclusive of newspaper advert and map etc.

FrannoFan

kieran. wrote: »

I would assume it's 2000 to do all the drawings survey etc and 1500 for processing the planning application possibly inclusive of newspaper advert and map etc.

yes, that is what it is. 300 more for adds etc.

is that a reasonable charge or very much on the upper end?

so 3,800 plus vat

kieran.

If it's an Architect I would think it's reasonable value. Have they outlined the cost post planning for construction drawings, supervision on site and final certification?

neil_hosey

300 quid for an ad ? I done mine for a new build myself about 4 months ago. Cost 40 euro for paper to add it in. I took the words from the planning application which I also done myself.

I'd consider an engineer for something like that over an architect for drawings, and do the application yourself. I'm guessing it would be less than half.

BryanF

neil_hosey wrote: »

300 quid for an ad ? I done mine for a new build myself about 4 months ago. Cost 40 euro for paper to add it in. I took the words from the planning application which I also done myself.

I'd consider an engineer for something like that over an architect for drawings, and do the application yourself. I'm guessing it would be less than half.

Read the thread again

The 300 was for Add & map etc

Do you know how many invalidations occur because people think they can submit planning themselves? Planning add text and the add cost vary depending on council area. If you have to do it twice because you F it up then you pay twice.

OP the quote is reasonable

DOCARCH

neil_hosey wrote: »

Cost 40 euro for paper...

All depends where you are.

In parts of Dublin (parts of DLRCC) cheapest ad you will get is E 150 odd (E 156.33....to be precise!).

Basic OS (A4) digital planning pack (with temporary license) is E 113.40, and, planning fees are E 34.00.

neil_hosey

BryanF wrote: »

Read the thread again

The 300 was for Add & map etc

Do you know how many invalidations occur because people think they can submit planning themselves? Planning add text and the add cost vary depending on council area. If you have to do it twice because you F it up then you pay twice.

OP the quote is reasonable

I read it fine. 300 extra for the ad. There is no mention of the map in the OPs reply.

I've never seen any statistics, I'd be interested though if you had a link? In Kildare, the 2 months coming up to me submitting, the vast majority of the failed submissions or invalid submissions were architects. You can get a weekly report for Kildare cc. I'm not saying they make more mistakes, just very few people submit themselves and it's such a waste of money..

I submitted mine, and received planning permission for a new 277mtsq Dormer first time in 8 weeks in kildare. That is all I am saying. It's a glorified form that you just have to be careful with. 1500 plus vat is a rip off, in my opinion for filling in a form.


OP, architects charge what they want as alot of people are unsure of what's involved in the planning process. In your case, you have no percolation test and any maps are for an existing site with existing site lines. I'd really suggest saving some money and going to an engineer. Obviously anyone giving you advise on this forum will be biased towards their trade so I'm just telling it from my perspective, as I've no vested interest

FrannoFan

kieran. wrote: »

If it's an Architect I would think it's reasonable value. Have they outlined the cost post planning for construction drawings, supervision on site and final certification?

Yes, i have a good relationship with a builder and trust him to complete works etc. There was a further price for supervision etc.


thanks all for the help. Much appreciated. These are the kind of things one doesn't undertake too often in their lives so hard to build experience!

Metric Tensor

It depends on the quality of service you are getting OP. If there are loads of revisions, site visits and consultations it is perfectly reasonable. If they visit you once and then fire out a set of plans with no consultation it is a complete rip off.

With the above in mind for a "standard" level of service I'd say it's about the going rate in Dublin OP and perhaps a little higher than I would expect elsewhere.

BryanF

kieran. wrote: »

I would assume it's 2000 to do all the drawings survey etc and 1500 for processing the planning application possibly inclusive of newspaper advert and map etc.

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FrannoFan wrote: »

yes, that is what it is. 300 more for adds etc.

is that a reasonable charge or very much on the upper end?

so 3,800 plus vat

neil_hosey wrote: »

I read it fine. 300 extra for the ad. There is no mention of the map in the OPs reply.

Aid62

Neil engineers don't design buildings . They are not qualified to do so.
You get what you pay for,
Deign is the first thing then planning, after that you need inspection and. Carts etc.
Get an architect and you'll get a better building.
Civil engineers design civil works sewers etc. They didn't study building design and know very little about it hence the cheap fees.

Aid62

Ask your architect to explain what is needed and how much it costs.
A lot of work goes into designing a building , then the drawings to support the planning application, all takes time!
If your Architect designs it he is best placed to inspect it.
€2000 would be good value for planning drawings
Perhaps €1500 for site inspections/ mortgage cents.

As the person who gave you the quote you have the be very clear about what you're getting!