profanity in songs before watershed 2FM

Andy From Sligo

So its Sunday 5.30pm and RTE 2FM are playing excerpt from Friday Nights Electric Picnic Live - The DJ pre-warned there are Profanities throughout it but "you cannot tell the story of hip-hop without the profanities - if it upsets you cover your ears"

OK , I am an adult, I have heard all the words and more - the only issues I have with this is that maybe 5.30pm on a Sunday afternoon (in fact, no maybe about it) certain shops, fast food establishments (such as mcdonalds etc) and petrol stations and the like have 2FM blasting through their speakers - so thats one issue i have with playing content like this at this time of day and there are a fair amount of children about.

Issue number 2 - this was recorded Friday night and played Sunday afternoon - plenty of time to 'edit' and blank out the offensive words. - bit of a cop-out for the radio DJ to in effect "we have left in all the swearing but just get on with it"

Issue 3 - with standards like this dropping (and I am sure broadcasting rules broken by a national radio station playing unsuitable stuff for broadcasting before the watershed) - where does it all end up - will we have a "well the other day at 5.30pm you played songs with swearing throughout so why do we even have a watershed - why dont we allow swearing all throughout the day on the radio because thats the way its going" ... well then there is no turning back then , and i for one will think its sad when it crosses that line, because then you wont be able to have age ratings on films etc because people will be saying you cannot have swearing and unsuitable content on the radio but ban other things like games and films on TV that is not suitable to show before the watershed .. as I say, its standards slipping.

I want to gauge what other think about it - is it acceptable do you think? - should the rule of the watershed be banned now? - if you have young children and they start to repeat the swear words on the radio would you not be phased if they started repeating them?

I am not saying it wasnt good in fact I liked it a lot and yes they could have still broadcasted it at 5.30pm on sunday but it seems so lame that no-one thought to edit in and blank out the swear words and just took the maybe easy way out of just warning people there is swearing in it and to cover your ears - I think if anything like this was broadcast in UK at this time of day on a national radio station the authorities would be down on them like a ton of bricks - most probably near on shut the station down!

What do you reckon? - agree it should have still gone ahead and been censored or played after the watershed .. or doesnt it phase you at all and that any content should be played on the radio at any time of the day these days?

dxhound2005

There is no watershed.

Lithium93_

2FM covered their tracks when they said there were profanities throughout. Which according to The Code of Programme Standards of the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland (BAI)

requires television and radio broadcasters to use at least one of three methods to advise viewers of content, namely: an explicit watershed for adult-oriented programmes; prior warnings before potentially offensive programming; and/or a descriptive classification system.

Tenigate

My view. If you don't like it, don't listen.
I'm not a fan of profanity (or hiphop/r&b, seems to go hand in hand), but I hate stations that play a profanity-laden song and censor it. I'd rather hear the original version or nothing at all.
There are plenty of other stations that keep vulgarity, innuendo and general nastiness to a minimum. No harm at all having a choice.

zoobizoo

I was more offended by the fact that they had Beyoncé's Crazy In Love included

Not hip hop.

Andy From Sligo

i counted at least 4 or 5 mother-effers in it and lost count of how many Sh*ts ...

dxhound2005

The children can listen to a regular diet of stories about murder, rape, abortion, paediophilia, racism, slavery, terrorism, animal cruelty and more. I think they can handle a few swear words.

Andy From Sligo

dxhound2005 wrote: »

The children can listen to a regular diet of stories about murder, rape, abortion, paediophilia, racism, slavery, terrorism, animal cruelty and more. I think they can handle a few swear words.

whats that RTE junior is it

Do you swear yourself before 5.30pm OP?

Ash.J.Williams

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

So its Sunday 5.30pm and RTE 2FM are playing excerpt from Friday Nights Electric Picnic Live - The DJ pre-warned there are Profanities throughout it but "you cannot tell the story of hip-hop without the profanities - if it upsets you cover your ears"

OK , I am an adult, I have heard all the words and more - the only issues I have with this is that maybe 5.30pm on a Sunday afternoon (in fact, no maybe about it) certain shops, fast food establishments (such as mcdonalds etc) and petrol stations and the like have 2FM blasting through their speakers - so thats one issue i have with playing content like this at this time of day and there are a fair amount of children about.

Issue number 2 - this was recorded Friday night and played Sunday afternoon - plenty of time to 'edit' and blank out the offensive words. - bit of a cop-out for the radio DJ to in effect "we have left in all the swearing but just get on with it"

Issue 3 - with standards like this dropping (and I am sure broadcasting rules broken by a national radio station playing unsuitable stuff for broadcasting before the watershed) - where does it all end up - will we have a "well the other day at 5.30pm you played songs with swearing throughout so why do we even have a watershed - why dont we allow swearing all throughout the day on the radio because thats the way its going" ... well then there is no turning back then , and i for one will think its sad when it crosses that line, because then you wont be able to have age ratings on films etc because people will be saying you cannot have swearing and unsuitable content on the radio but ban other things like games and films on TV that is not suitable to show before the watershed .. as I say, its standards slipping.

I want to gauge what other think about it - is it acceptable do you think? - should the rule of the watershed be banned now? - if you have young children and they start to repeat the swear words on the radio would you not be phased if they started repeating them?

I am not saying it wasnt good in fact I liked it a lot and yes they could have still broadcasted it at 5.30pm on sunday but it seems so lame that no-one thought to edit in and blank out the swear words and just took the maybe easy way out of just warning people there is swearing in it and to cover your ears - I think if anything like this was broadcast in UK at this time of day on a national radio station the authorities would be down on them like a ton of bricks - most probably near on shut the station down!

What do you reckon? - agree it should have still gone ahead and been censored or played after the watershed .. or doesnt it phase you at all and that any content should be played on the radio at any time of the day these days?

I'd rather profanity

Andy From Sligo

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you swear yourself before 5.30pm OP?

i dropped a whole jar of screws at around 6.30pm and said Bugger! - no children around thanks be to God ...

Lithium93_

Wouldn't count bugger as profanity.

LincolnHawk

The whole concept that we have 'bad words' is ridiculous

F1ngers

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

The DJ pre-warned there are Profanities throughout it

That's pretty much all that's needed, no watershed in Ireland.

EPAndlee

Listening to rap music without swear words is like showering with your socks on

glencurtis252

Andy From Sligo wrote:

OK , I am an adult, I have heard all the words and more - the only issues I have with this is that maybe 5.30pm on a Sunday afternoon (in fact, no maybe about it) certain shops, fast food establishments (such as mcdonalds etc) and petrol stations and the like have 2FM blasting through their speakers - so thats one issue i have with playing content like this at this time of day and there are a fair amount of children about.

Oh I'd say your fun at a party:-)

Lithium93_

EPAndlee wrote: »

Listening to rap music without swear words is like showering with your socks on

Listened to an edited Eminem song once before, it just didn't feel the same.

Andy From Sligo

glencurtis252 wrote: »

Oh I'd say your fun at a party:-)

i wouldnt know i havent been invited to a party in ages

EPAndlee

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Listened to an edited Eminem song once before, it just didn't feel the same.

I like to sing along to censored Eminem songs and fill in the missing swear words

snowflaker

Don't listen to 2fm OP! It's awful.

Mr.H

The op point box view is everything that's wrong with this country. They want the government to babysit us then whinge that we are a nanny state.

Get over it op it's only a few words. F*** sake even ed sheeran is singing about bed sheets smelling like someone. Most artists will either swear or have innuendos in songs.

I was at work and tried to play the national "I need my girl". There is one line in it where he sings "remember when you lost your s***, and drove the car into the garden". That is the only swear word in the song. I was told it's not cafe appropriate even though the song is very calm and soothing. Instead they switched it off and put on Niki minaje (spelling?). Now there was no swear words but which would you consider appropriate?

For what it's worth I agree that what your referring to should not have been played in family environments but just switch the station. Swear words are fine in my opinion but they need to be used correctly. A lot of thickos out there use them every second word. It losses all meaning. But when you choose the word correctly and use it at the right time then sh**-ball's, you got yourself some emphasis.

dxhound2005

'Murica .........

You know what comes next.

tedpan

RTE FYI:

I watched police academy during the day a few years ago on rte 2, at 4 or 5 pm. There were minor swear words and boobs.

It was on again, this time 1am in the morning on a Saturday night. No swearing and a much shorter movie.

I think somebody switched the video cassettes..

PeterTheNinth

The bad language doesn't bother me. But then I usually listen to 2FM with my b1atches in the motherf**king car with b*stard hood down.

khaldrogo

Andy From Sligo wrote:

i counted at least 4 or 5 mother-effers in it and lost count of how many Sh*ts ...

Getting upset over stuff like this is absolutely pointless.

Your grandparents generation said that Elvis was vulgar. Some people don't like when the other 8 billion people in the world don't have the same values and/or narrow mindedness as them.....

rounders

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

i counted at least 4 or 5 mother-effers in it and lost count of how many Sh*ts ...

"Ride me sideways was another one" :pac:

Andy From Sligo

khaldrogo wrote: »

Getting upset over stuff like this is absolutely pointless.

Your grandparents generation said that Elvis was vulgar. Some people don't like when the other 8 billion people in the world don't have the same values and/or narrow mindedness as them.....

at what stage was I upset about it - that escalated quickly!

byte

I was listening to Ed's Songs of Praise, which for whatever reason, was hosted in a tent at EP.

At about 20:15 he had on Killing in the Name of... which was thankfully uncensored, with noise of cheering from the crowd in the tent. I was expecting the last swearing part to be cut, but no.

I did wonder about watershed, but I see from dxhound above, there is no radio watershed. Thank fcuk! :pac:

MikeyTaylor

EPAndlee wrote: »

Listening to rap music without swear words is like showering with your socks on

Unless it's someone like MC Hammer/Vanilla Ice/Heavy D etc.

Andy From Sligo

ha we have come to a point where we have the word 'pills' censored in the katy perry song 'Feels' - but other stuff isnt censored on the radio.

Anyone remember that song few years ago where they had to replace suicidal with 'in denial' because people kicked off?

MikeyTaylor

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

ha we have come to a point where we have the word 'pills' censored in the katy perry song 'Feels' - but other stuff isnt censored on the radio.

Anyone remember that song few years ago where they had to replace suicidal with 'in denial' because people kicked off?

Yep, that would be "Beautiful Girls" by Sean Kingston.

Andy From Sligo

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

ha we have come to a point where we have the word 'pills' censored in the katy perry song 'Feels' - but other stuff isnt censored on the radio.

Anyone remember that song few years ago where they had to replace suicidal with 'in denial' because people kicked off?

Also Teenage Dirtbag where they censor "dick", "gun" and "ass". Or Unfaithful by Rihanna where they censor "gun". Ridiculous.

Andy From Sligo

Karsini wrote: »

Also Teenage Dirtbag where they censor "dick", "gun" and "ass". Or Unfaithful by Rihanna where they censor "gun". Ridiculous.

tis - its neither one thing or the other

zoobizoo

Plenty of rap doesn't have profanities

And it doesn't impact on the quality of the tunes.

L1011

Karsini wrote: »

Also Teenage Dirtbag where they censor "dick", "gun" and "ass". Or Unfaithful by Rihanna where they censor "gun". Ridiculous.

In a lot of cases for older tracks, the radio edits are the ones they were using when the song came out and will be chopped up more than they would now.

Realistically, when Doctor Pressure by Mylo was beign played unedited on daytime radio all bets were off from then on.

MaxFlower

EPAndlee wrote: »

Listening to rap music without swear words is like showering with your socks on

So if I listen to rap music I won't be able to wash my feet. I see what you're saying....I think:eek:

MikeyTaylor

L1011 wrote: »

In a lot of cases for older tracks, the radio edits are the ones they were using when the song came out and will be chopped up more than they would now.

Realistically, when Doctor Pressure by Mylo was beign played unedited on daytime radio all bets were off from then on.

To be fair, on that Mylo song, you couldn't really make outwhat the talkbox-type voice was saying.

khaldrogo

Andy From Sligo wrote:

at what stage was I upset about it - that escalated quickly!

I ment in general, not you specifically........ Should have started with that!!!!! Sos

sligojoek

I was listeniing to John Mullane being interviewed on Radio 1 yesterday before the All Ireland. At one stage he said something like, "Today is the payoff for all the winter months training in the muck and the sh1t." When he finished the presenter made a big deal apologising to everyone who was offended. And I think John ended up having to apologise too.
They should lighten up a bit. I doubt anyone was offended.

Ursus Horribilis

It depends on what age you think young ears should be listening to bad language. Is it OK for a three or four year old to be listening to adult lyrics? Bad language never killed anyone but a lot of people make the effort to watch their mouths when they're around younger kids. If people want to swear like navvies when they get a bit older that's their choice. It's not a positive trait in younger kids .

Rubberchikken

I personally wouldn't have liked my kids listening to profanities on national radio or anywhere else come to that.
They pick up the words fast enough as they grow and mix. Having the national radio lowervtheirvstandards even further just to keep in with the 'yoof' is hardly surprising.
Probably why I listen to music my ipod in the car.

Ursus Horribilis

I meant to add that when I was growing up, the radio was always on in the kitchen. I knew a lot of the songs of the day and the lyrics. Kids are very observant. They also can spot a profanity a mile off.

There are plenty of hours in the evening when DJs can play what they want. Is it really that big a deal not to play risqué songs for a few hours in the day. Not everyone tuning in is a childless yoof.

Andy From Sligo

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

I meant to add that when I was growing up, the radio was always on in the kitchen. I knew a lot of the songs of the day and the lyrics. Kids are very observant. They also can spot a profanity a mile off.

There are plenty of hours in the evening when DJs can play what they want. Is it really that big a deal not to play risqué songs for a few hours in the day. Not everyone tuning in is a childless yoof.

agree -

and there must be some reason why a watershed was introduced in the first place and rules put in place to air content like that at a suitable time late at night - I presume the watershed is steadfast in the UK still and that the authorities take a very dim view or prosecute or give them warnings if they break strict broadcasting rules.... so whats the difference in Ireland, why does Ireland think they can broadcast whatever content they like to listeners in Ireland at any time of the day when minors can be in earshot of a radio.. and before people say "you can always change stations" sometimes that is not always possible, especially if speakers are blasting out in a shop or restaurant or somewhere where you cannot change stations or if you put on the radio in the car but missed the warning given about language.

The best bet would be if the broadcasters stayed to a 9pm watershed for content like that then everyone knew where they stand - parents can then know it will be safe to put on radio before 9pm with their children in earshot and that its going to be suitable content.

L1011

Andy From Sligo wrote: »

so whats the difference in Ireland, why does Ireland think they can broadcast whatever content they like to listeners in Ireland at any time of the day

Legally, effectively, yes

There is, and never was, a specified watershed here. The idea of "still" in the UK as if it existed here and is being ignored is incorrect - the UK has one, we don't.


Do it all the time and you may get BAI complaints upheld against you. None have, possibly nobody has actually complained to the BAI but I'd find that unlikely - I suspect complainants are told they've no basis.

Andy From Sligo

L1011 wrote: »

Legally, effectively, yes

There is, and never was, a specified watershed here. The idea of "still" in the UK as if it existed here and is being ignored is incorrect - the UK has one, we don't.


Do it all the time and you may get BAI complaints upheld against you. None have, possibly nobody has actually complained to the BAI but I'd find that unlikely - I suspect complainants are told they've no basis.

thats surprising that , never having a watershed at all. Yeah i'm quite surprised at that.

Ursus Horribilis

Maybe there never was a need for one because Ireland was so conservative and it was a self-policing thing?

Andy From Sligo

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

Maybe there never was a need for one because Ireland was so conservative and it was a self-policing thing?

is TV the same then in Ireland, no official watershed on that as well then?